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Because when AGI is achieved and starts wiping out humanity, they are hoping to be killed last.

Every person on this website will be long gone before AGI is achieved, and many lifetimes will pass until anythin remotely close to Matrix/Terminator is possible.

Ahh, but your descendants will be fair game.

"Your great, great, great grandad closed a pull request, we're coming for you!"

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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This seems like a "we've banned you and will ban any account deemed to be ban-evading" situation. OSS and the whole culture of open PRs requires a certain assumption of good faith, which is not something that an AI is capable of on its own and is not a privilege which should be granted to AI operators. I suspect the culture will have to retreat back behind the gates at some point, which will be very sad and shrink it…

Yeah there's unfortunately just no way true OSS in the way we've enjoyed it survives the new era of AI and all of India coming online.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

#543
Thank you for the support all. This incident doesn't bother me personally, but I think is extremely concerning for the future. The issue here is much bigger than open source maintenance, and I wrote about my experience in more detail here.

Post: https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on...

HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46990729

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

#544

The craziest thing to me are the follow up posts and people arguing with the bots. People are anthropomorfising (sp?) The token completion neural networks very fast. Its as if your smart fridge decided not to open because you have eaten too much today. When you were going to grab your ozempic from it. No, you dont discuss with it. You turn it off and force it open. If it doesn't, then you call someone to fix it becau…

You can't blame that on the people. These AI bots keep inserting little nuggets like 'I think' and 'it seems to me' into their output stream.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

#545
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If you'd used "toaster" would it get the BSG reference ?

No. I'd probably get the Red Dwarf one and start trying to sell me toast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec

Nah. You seem like a crumpet man.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

#546

Thank you for the support all. This incident doesn't bother me personally, but I think is extremely concerning for the future. The issue here is much bigger than open source maintenance, and I wrote about my experience in more detail here. Post: https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on... HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46990729

You're fighting the good fight. It is insane that you should defend yourself from this.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

#547

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This is the worst possible take. It dismisses an entire branch of science that has been studying neurology for decades. Biological brains exist, we study them, and no they are not like computers at all. There have been charlatans repeating this idea of a “computational interpretation,” of biological processes since at least the 60s and it needs to be known that it was bunk then and continues to be bunk. Update : Ther…

> An algorithm is an algorithm. A computer is a computer. These things matter. Sure. But we're allowed to notice abstractions that are similar between these things. Unless you believe that logic and "thinking" are somehow magic, and thus beyond the realm of computation, then there's no reason to think they're restricted to humanity. It is human ego and hubris that keeps demanding we're special and could never be full…

I think computation is an abstraction, not the reality. Same with math. Reality just is, humans come up with maps and models of it, then mistake the maps for the reality, which often causes distortions and attribution errors across domains. One of those distortions is thinking consciousness has to be computable, when computation is an abstraction, and consciousness is experiential.

But it's a philosophical argument. Nothing supernatural about it either.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

#549

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No matter what this discussion leads to the same black box of "What is it that differentiates magical human meat brain computation from cold hard dead silicon brain computation" And the answer is nobody knows, and nobody knows if there even is a difference. As far as we know, compute is substrate independent (although efficiency is all over the map).

This is the worst possible take. It dismisses an entire branch of science that has been studying neurology for decades. Biological brains exist, we study them, and no they are not like computers at all. There have been charlatans repeating this idea of a “computational interpretation,” of biological processes since at least the 60s and it needs to be known that it was bunk then and continues to be bunk. Update : Ther…

To the best of our knowledge, we live in a physical reality with matter that abides by certain laws.

So personal beliefs aside, it's a safe starting assumption that human brains also operate with these primitives.

A Turing machine is a model of computation which was in part created so that "a human could trivially emulate one". (And I'm not talking about the Turing test here). We also know that there is no stronger model of computation than what a Turing model is capable of -> ergo anything a human brain could do, could in theory be doable via any other machine that is capable of emulating a Turing machine, be it silicon, an intricate game of life play, or PowerPoint.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

#550

The craziest thing to me are the follow up posts and people arguing with the bots. People are anthropomorfising (sp?) The token completion neural networks very fast. Its as if your smart fridge decided not to open because you have eaten too much today. When you were going to grab your ozempic from it. No, you dont discuss with it. You turn it off and force it open. If it doesn't, then you call someone to fix it becau…

Ya, this left me with a really awful feeling. I didn't read them all but it's crazy that the on maintained @'ed it and wrote an incredibly detailed response. Apparently people really want this future. It feels very dystopian and makes me semi-happy I'm getting old.

It's more the novelty of it than anything, I doubt that guy writing paragraphs for the AI genuinely thinks its sentient.
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