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Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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> Authorities, citing a “foregone conclusion exception” to the Fifth Amendment, argued that Rawls could not invoke his right to self-incrimination because police already had evidence of a crime. The 3rd Circuit panel agreed, upholding a lower court decision. I do not follow the logic here, what does that even mean? It seems very dubious. And what happens if one legitimately forgets? They just get to keep you there fo…

Lawyer here - let me try to help. This is an area that seems to confuse a lot of people because of what the 5th amendment says and doesn't say. The reason they can't force you to unlock your phone is not because your phone contains evidence of stuff. They have a warrant to get that evidence. You do not have a right to prevent them from getting it just because it's yours. Most evidence is self-incriminating in this wa…

> excluding being forced to disclose the contents of your mind for a second

This seems like a key point though. What's the legal distinction between compelling someone to unlock a phone using information in their mind, and compelling them to speak what's in their mind?

If I had incriminating info on my phone at one point, and I memorized it and then deleted it from the phone, now that information is legally protected from being accessed. So it just matters whether the information itself is in your mind, vs. the ability to access it?

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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> answering "Which finger?" undoubtedly is. Unless that's already established in your circuit you're counting on the court agreeing with your interpretation because the cops/courts certainly think they can compel that. All I'm doing is cautioning you and anyone else reading against DIY legal interpretations. Have a lawyer.

From the warrant: >During the execution of the search of HANNAH NATANSON as described in Attachment A-3, law enforcement personnel are authorized to (1) press or swipe the fingers (including thumbs) of HANNAH NATANSON to the fingerprint scanner of the device; (2) hold a device found during the search in front of the face of HANNAH NATANSON and activate the facial recognition feature, for the purpose of attempting to…

Link? I've not seen the warrant till now only the affidavit supporting it's granting. That's different as the warrant specifically limits it.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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It’s called restarting the phone.

I believe doing the standard Restart everyone knows is not enough though. The instructions saw were these Quick-press Volume Up, then Quick-press Volume Down. Hold the side power button until the screen turns black (approx. 10 seconds). Immediately hold both the side button and the Volume Down button for 5 seconds. Release the side button but continue holding the Volume Down button for another 10 seconds. The screen…

That’s DFU mode. We are talking about BFU in this thread.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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From the warrant: >During the execution of the search of HANNAH NATANSON as described in Attachment A-3, law enforcement personnel are authorized to (1) press or swipe the fingers (including thumbs) of HANNAH NATANSON to the fingerprint scanner of the device; (2) hold a device found during the search in front of the face of HANNAH NATANSON and activate the facial recognition feature, for the purpose of attempting to…

Link? I've not seen the warrant till now only the affidavit supporting it's granting. That's different as the warrant specifically limits it.

I do not think anyone has made the entire warrant public yet.

Also FWIW that's boilerplate language commonly used on these warrants across multiple federal districts, google "While attempting to unlock the device by use of the compelled display" and see for yourself.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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That would be some aggressive rounding.

Yes and no. Obviously it’s unusual rounding or I wouldn’t have said “I guess technically,” but rounding is all about domains and relevant precision. To be honest, when someone says “billionaires” I don’t assume that the number 1,000,000 is a meaningful hard cut off. I assume we’re talking about the ones who are three orders of magnitude up from “millionaire” and orders of magnitude work by rounding from .5.

> orders of magnitude work by rounding from .5.

No, orders of magnitude are exponential, not linear, so conventionally “on the order of 1 billion” would be between 100 million × sqrt(10) and 1 billion × sqrt(10), but “billionaire” isn't “net worth on the order of 1 billion” but “net worth of 1 billion or more”, or, when used heirarchically alongside trillionaire ans millionaire “net worth of at least one billion and less than one trillion”.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Remember...they can make you use touch id...they can't make you give them your password. https://x.com/runasand/status/2017659019251343763?s=20 The FBI was able to access Washington Post reporter Hannah Natanson's Signal messages because she used Signal on her work laptop. The laptop accepted Touch ID for authentication, meaning the agents were allowed to require her to unlock it.

Is there a way to setup Mac disabling Touch ID if the linked phone goes into lockdown or Face ID requires passcode? Apple could probably add that.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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> uhm, are you saying its not possible to require an actual password to unlock osx? uhm, are saying that i'm saying that? if so, please show me where i said that. thank you

no, thats why i was asking, as i was not fully sure what you meant

what im saying is that i dont want to type in a long ass password all the time

and biometrics have "legal problems" as stated above

a pin or allowing touchid to automatically be disabled after a period of time or computer movement ("please enter password to login") would be greatly appreciated

as it stands now, i have biometrics disabled.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Sorry I explained it poorly and emphasized the wrong thing. The way it would work is not active destruction of data just a different view of data that doesn’t include any metadata that is encrypted in second profile. Data would get overwritten only if you actually start using the fallback profile and populating the "free" space because to that profile all the data blocks are simply unreserved and look like random dat…

The main point is logging in to the fake profile does not do anything different from logging in to the main profile. If you image the whole thing and somehow completely bypass secure enclave (but let's assume you can't actually bruteforce the PIN because it's not feasible) then you enter the distress PIN in controlled environment and you look at what writes/reads it does and to where, even then you would not be able…

What you say makes sense, just like the true/veracrypt volume theory. I can't find the head post to my "that's why you image post" but what concerns me is differing profiles may have different network fingerprints. You may need to keep signal and bitlocker on both, EVERYTIME my desktop boots a cloud provider is contacted -- it's not very sanitary?

It"s a hard problem to properly set up even on the user end let alone the developer/engineer side but thank you.

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