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I miss thinking hard

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Re: I miss thinking hard

#541
In reality, us thinkers will have to find other things to think about. Maybe not right now, but in the not-too-distant future we'll have to find other things that make us think and scratch that bit of our brains that need itching from learning new stuff and thinking hard about it.

It might be difficult to figure out what that is, and some folks will fail at it. It might not be code though.

Re: I miss thinking hard

#542
You don’t use it, you lose it.

Not every programming task needs to be a research project. There are plenty of boring business problems that needs the application of computing to automate. And it’s been a decent way to make a living for a while.

It’s great getting a good problem to chew on.

I try to keep a small percentage of my time occupied by one or two good ones. If I’m always bored it’s a sign I could be doing better. And I like being at my best.

Re: I miss thinking hard

#543
post #63

I don't get it. I think just as hard, I type less. I specify precisely and I review. If anything, all we've changed is working at a higher level. The product is the same. But these people just keep mixing things up like "wow I got a ferrari now, watch it fly off the road!" Yeah so you got a tools upgrade; it's faster, it's more powerful. Keep it on the road or give up driving! We went from auto completing keywords, t…

I find it interesting, the comments on this post (not just this particular comment per se) and the sheer inability to relate or ATTEMPT to relate to another persons experience or feeling. The post itself articulated a viewpoint and experience, your having a different one does not negate the other. Nor does your perspective mean the other does not exist. I'm dumbfounded at many of the comments.

Here are some clipped comments that I pulled from the overall post

> I don't get it.

> I'm using LLMs to code and I'm still thinking hard.

> I don't. I miss being outside, in the sun, living my life. And if there's one thing AI has done it's save my time.

> Then think hard? Have a level of self discipline and don’t consistently turn to AI to solve your problems.

> I am thinking harder than ever due to vibe coding.

> Skill issue

> Maybe this is just me, but I don't miss thinking so much.

The last comment pasted is pure gold, a great one to put up on a wall. Gave me a right chuckle thanks!!!

Re: I miss thinking hard

#544
Do you miss thinking hard or do you missing typing? GenAI can save you from lots of typing and stack overflow copy/paste but it’s not going to think for you. Further, think as hard as you want you’re perfectly free to do so. I get the feeling a lot of people are deep down upset that knowledge and speed with code that use to be theirs and theirs alone is now much more accessible to the unwashed masses.

Re: I miss thinking hard

#546
> If I can get a solution that is “close enough” in a fraction of the time and effort, it is irrational not to take the AI route. And that is the real problem: I cannot simply turn off my pragmatism.

I've not seen this take yet, but this is exactly how I feel. I do not yet know what I want to do, and my parts of my personality are no longer satisfied by coding. I'm thinking we need some kind of community of people like us where we can discuss these things.

I bring these up with others, and I find that most people around me are just builders.

Re: I miss thinking hard

#547
There are many difficult problems involved in building LLMs that I have to think about on a regular basis, which the models themselves cannot help me with. I think that just because the cognitive load has been taken off of some tasks does not mean that there is nothing that requires serious thinking anymore.

Re: I miss thinking hard

#548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Thank you for the AI warning, so I didn't have to read that.

Ah well, I'm neurodivergent and it’s challenging for me to write a comment while remembering that others don’t have access to my thoughts and might interpret things differently. And it's too late to edit it now

What I wanted to show is that, clearly different from a camera or other devices, AI can copy originality. OPs comment was pretty original in it's wording, and gpt came pretty close imo. It really wasn't meant as a low effort comment

Re: I miss thinking hard

#549
post #32

This March 2025 post from Aral Balkan stuck with me: https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/114160190826192080 "Coding is like taking a lump of clay and slowly working it into the thing you want it to become. It is this process, and your intimacy with the medium and the materials you’re shaping, that teaches you about what you’re making – its qualities, tolerances, and limits – even as you make it. You know the least about wha…

Coding is not at all like working a lump of clay unless you’re still writing assembly. You’re taking a bunch of pre-built abstractions written by other people on top of what the computer is actually doing and plugging them together like LEGOs. The artificial syntax that you use to move the bricks around is the thing you call coding. The human element of discovery is still there if a robot stacks the bricks based on a…

changing "clay" for "legos" doesn't change the core argument. The tactile feel you get for the medium as you work it with your hands and the "artificial syntax" imposed by the medium.

Re: I miss thinking hard

#550

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair enough but I am a programmer because I like programming. If I wanted to be a product manager I could have made that transition with or without LLMs.

Agreed. The higher-ups at my company are, like most places, breathlessly talking about how AI has changed the profession - how we no longer need to code, but merely describe the desired outcome. They say this as though it’s a good thing. They’re destroying the only thing I like about my job - figuring problems out. I have a fundamental impedance mismatch with my company’s desires, because if someone hands me a weird…

FWIW, when a problem truly is weird, AI & vibe coding tends to not be able to solve it. Maybe you can use AI to help you spend more time working on the weird problems.

When I play sudoku with an app, I like to turn on auto-fill numbers, and auto-erase numbers, and highlighting of the current number. This is so that I can go directly to the crux of the puzzle and work on that. It helps me practice working on the hard part without having to slog through the stuff I know how to do, and generally speaking it helps me do harder puzzles than I was doing before. BTW, I’ve only found one good app so far that does this really well.

With AI it’s easier to see there are a lot of problems that I don’t know how to solve, but others do. The question is whether it’s wasteful to spend time independently solving that problem. Personally I think it’s good for me to do it, and bad for my employer (at least in the short term). But I can completely understand the desire for higher-ups to get rid of 90% of wheel re-invention, and I do think many programmers spend a lot of time doing exactly that; independently solving problems that have already been solved.

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