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Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by tacker2000 »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #516
shevy-java wrote: post #192

Makes sense. This software dependency that Europe has on the USA is very, very bad - no just with regards to Zoom, but literally anything. The US corporations are forced by law to always prioritize whoever represents the current US government, and the current US government will remain hostile as long as it is in charge; but even afterwards it is quite logical to assume that any follow-up government will prioritize US…

> The real troublemaker is ... Germany Everyone is responding with rationale for this, but it's not actually true it's it? It feels like every week we see another German state moving away from Microsoft etc.

Some are, some arent.

The Bavarian state for example just signed a huge deal with MS.

https://www.heise.de/en/news/Cloud-Row-in-Bavaria-over-billi...

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by surgical_fire »

joe_mamba wrote: post #513
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they're doing their job as politicians Yes I completely agree with you. The EU is enabling spending its citizens' money to criticize itself. If this is not a sick situation, I do not know what this is. To be clear, I am all for a union of European countries *that all participate in the effort. We need this to stand against the US or the BRICS block, without a union we are a set of insignificant countries that have…

>The EU is enabling spending its citizens' money to criticize itself. If this is not a sick situation, I do not know what this is. It's called freedom of speech. Why is that sick? EU is also spengin 600 billion/year on NGOs to do pro-EU political activism. >You count Poland as a poor country? With its economic growth that will overtake UK? Learn to read, I said "poorest people", not poor country, Poland and eastern e…

> Nobody cares about the whole region. People living and paying taxes in Spain care about what's happening in Spain, not all the way in Romania or Bulgaria. So Spaniard elect politicians that will do what's best for Spain not what's best for other EU countries. Same for every other EU member. Politicians get elected on how they can improve the lives of the people in that specific country.

This is an extremely nearsighted view of the bloc.

Things that benefit the EU will benefit my country too. Things that make Romania or Bulgaria worse will also impact the other countries in the bloc. I thought we learned this lesson when countries like Greece had fiscal issues back in the day.

Politicians at the EU level should be concerned by their country, but also should be concerned about the bloc as a whole.

And this is true to national politics too. A member of a national parliament typically is concerned with the province/county/constituency he represents, but also with national issues as a whole.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by oblio »

mickael-kerjean wrote: post #473
input_sh wrote: post #167

Worth pointing out: France is not adopting existing open source software, they're building their own software and releasing it under the MIT licence. Most of it (or all of it?) is Django backend + React frontend (using a custom-built UI kit). Home page for the entire suite (in French) with some screenshots: https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/ Code bases are on GitHub and they use English there: https://github.com/suit…

> France is not adopting existing open source software As a Frenchman, this stings. I have been working since 2017 in creating an open source alternative to Dropbox ( https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash ), the reality is out of 60 customers, only 2 are French and most contacts I've had with French entities only shown interest onto open source because they were not willing to spend a dime on anything. Custome…

Does Filestash support replication/automated backups and encryption? Also, do you have mobile clients?

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

codethief wrote: post #417
dijit wrote: post #401

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Your claim that "if it was consistently bad, it would have been replaced already" just... totally misunderstands how enterprise software decisions work, even in organisations where people value their time. Switching costs are enormous. Your organisation has Teams integrated with your Office 365 licensing, which means you're already paying for it. Replacing it with Slack means paying $8-12 per user per month on top of…

Well said. > Replacing it with Slack means paying $8-12 per user per month on top of your existing Office costs, because you still need Outlook, Word, Excel, and SharePoint. For a 500-person company, that's an additional $48,000-72,000 annually for a tool that overlaps with something you've already paid for. If only in this calculation they'd factor in how much time each employee wastes because of Teams glitches…

That's much harder to measure though, and to reduce to a dollar value. This is the cause of much of the dysfunction in the modern world.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by pembrook »

simongray wrote: post #528
intrasight wrote: post #384

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That is the fundamental flaw of the EU model - a lack of leadership and authority at the top level. They will have to change that. There were some small steps during Covid to create EU level funding mechanisms. I'm not saying they have to grow a monstrous bureaucracy at the EU level - in fact they could probably do it less. But they definitely need more regulation to promote self-grown technology.

Eu Inc. will become a reality soon, so it isn't like the Commission is standing still: eu.inc/what-is-eu-inc

EU inc is worthless without alignment on a single capital market for fundraising and ultimately going public, sane/interoperable labor laws for hiring, and a single language market over the long term.

The last piece is extremely important. Being able to raise money and hire across the EU with no friction would be fantastic, but it means nothing if actually selling into different EU markets has massive language barriers (average people in many neighboring EU countries cannot communicate with each other beyond the level of a 4 year old). English fluency is massively overstated by people who only have visited European tourist capitals.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by AlecSchueler »

tacker2000 wrote: post #541
AlecSchueler wrote: post #516

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The real troublemaker is ... Germany Everyone is responding with rationale for this, but it's not actually true it's it? It feels like every week we see another German state moving away from Microsoft etc.

Some are, some arent. The Bavarian state for example just signed a huge deal with MS. https://www.heise.de/en/news/Cloud-Row-in-Bavaria-over-billi...

Sure but I still think it's unfair to characterise Germany as an outlier or a "trouble maker." Weren't they also the ones who took the privacy fight to Google with regards to things like Street View? That kind of behaviour is making trouble for US companies.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by Bendy »

input_sh wrote: post #167

Worth pointing out: France is not adopting existing open source software, they're building their own software and releasing it under the MIT licence. Most of it (or all of it?) is Django backend + React frontend (using a custom-built UI kit). Home page for the entire suite (in French) with some screenshots: https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/ Code bases are on GitHub and they use English there: https://github.com/suit…

Should’ve called it OuiChat

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by Narann »

dkga wrote: post #290
bee_rider wrote: post #271

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Maybe they have local copies as well, and just figured they might as well take GitHub’s free bandwidth and social networking features.

Next year: LeGit !

Fun fact: In french, Github, is pronounced « Guy Teube », where « Teube » is the backslang of « Bite », which can be literally translated by “Dick”.

So to give an example, is as if English speaking peoples would use a service named “Davedick”.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by bandie91 »

tzs wrote: post #355

How did they decide to name their Zoom/Teams replacement "Visio"? There's already an extremely well known program called "Visio", namely Microsoft Visio, and it is included in many of the same Microsoft commercial office products that include Microsoft Teams. If you tell someone to switch from Microsoft Teams to Visio a lot of people will assume you mean Microsoft Visio and get rather confused.

let me fix this for you: l`Visio - but with a French accent ;)
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