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There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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i pay 25c to leave my cart in the lot

You paying a nonzero cost for creating a negative externality is an improvement compared to the status quo, in the context of this economic philosophy of discouraging production of negative externalities by aligning economic incentives.

big words for you. I pay for it.

If i do not pay, i always return the cart.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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There's no pressure to make a good product because nobody making this decision has to use the machine. Everywhere I've worked purchase decisions are made by somebody with no direct contact to the actual usage, maybe if you're lucky they at least asked the people who need the product what the requirements are, otherwise it's just whatever they (who don't use this product) thought would be good. "Key presses are 15x sl…

While this is a decision-making problem, it is also an engineering incompetence problem. No matter what pointy haired boss is yelling about "priorities" ultimately software developers are the ones writing the code, and are responsible for how awful it is. When it comes to priorities about what to write and what to focus on, the buck stops at management and leadership. When it comes to the actual quality of the softwa…

You mean the developer hired by (and fired by) management?

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Switzerland has something like this for "eWaste", it's called the ARC [1] (Advance Recycling Contribution). For any electronic device you purchase a small tax is collected and used for the recycling and collection of the future waste it will generate. The collection mandatorily happens in the shops that sell electronic devices, you don't have to return them to the exact store where it was purchased, as long as they s…

We have it in California, just for monitors for some reason, but on Jan 1 a new law covering battery-embedded devices took effect. That new one specifically doesn't tax vapes (???) https://cdtfa.ca.gov/taxes-and-fees/covered-electronic-waste...

Probably originated for disposal of CRTs, due to all that leaded glass.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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My first guess was debouncing. They assume that the switches are worn out, deeply weathered, and cheaply made. Each press will cause the signal to oscillate and they're taking their sweet time to register it. When the device is new this is an absurd amount of time to wait. As the device degrades over 10, 20 years, that programming will keep it working the same. Awful the entire time, yes, but the same as the day it w…

Debouncing would be smart, sure. But sometimes, these sorts of embedded machines are weirder than that. At Kroger-brand gas stations near me, I get to interact with the buttons on gas pumps to select options and enter a loyalty ID. Those buttons have visible feedback on a screen, and also audible feedback consisting of a loud beep. And there's always delays between button press and feedback. Some combination of debou…

They are running it on a Java VM in a container - on a 386?

Over WiFi?

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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> Vapes are probably made in enough quantity to warrant custom silicon Not when the MCUs might cost a penny and the other parts aren’t much more. Putting high power electronics and analog into the same custom silicon as a custom digital logic is nontrivial. They’re made on different processes.

But you need very very little digital logic... The same kind of quantity to do the little power indicator LED's on a battery bank (which are charlieplexed btw), and thats done in the same ASIC that also has the 5V boost power supply (multi-amp gnd isolated n type mosfet) and charge circuitry involving voltage references and laser tuned comparators, and sometimes negotiates USB-C PD as well (needs an internal ROM). An…

If simplicity is the goal, then sure: Maybe spinning up a custom part can become useful.

But simplicity isn't always the goal. I have a throwaway vape here with a color LCD screen that plays full-motion animations.

To be sure, that's not necessary at all. But this functionality does exist, and people do buy them.

IIRC, they're said to use a 48MHz Cortex M0 part. More information here: https://github.com/ginbot86/ColorLCDVape-RE

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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There is probably a break-glass procedure for such cases, like, break the literal window.

Is that why there is a brick next to the procedure manual?

That’s the emergency escape brick.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Many countries have deposits for single use bottles/cans but an electronic device with a lipo battery is seen as perfectly fine to throw away. These things should have 100 times the deposit amount of a can of soda with mandatory requirements for retailers to take the 'empties' back.

Why stop there? I think more or less every non-durable product manufacturer (say, lifespan less than 5 years) should be required to take the product back at end of life and dispose of it properly. Trash is an enormous externality. I'm talking about plastic clamshells, container lids, "disposable" storage containers, the lot.

Stopping there makes sense because plastic sitting in a landfill isn’t harmful. Lithium batteries require special hazmat procedures.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Thinking for a moment what "recycling" a washing machine would look like and it's very obvious it would just mean paying a 3rd party to dump it in the 3rd world somewhere to be stripped if at all. Hard to imagine it's not causing more environmental damage by having this policy.

A washing machine has a decent amount of metal in it, that's definitely going to be recycled, as it has value. A policy like this could cause environmental damage, but saying that it's inevitable is just defeatist. In fact the manufacturer is the one with the knowledge to recycle stuff properly as they know what went into it. This is actually a way to work with the market. Any other option, other than just giving up,…

There's also Stewart Brand style cradle-to-cradle design, where you build in features that allow recycling to be easy, that's really my goal when I say manufacturers should be responsible - change the design

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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The amount of completely useless plastic garbage that we would be sending back east would be mind-numbing. They don’t have anywhere to put that trash either.

So maybe if you make the cost high enough (which is currently just externalized) then they might start disappearing by not being produced in the first place by lack of demand. People don't buy this because it's crap. They buy it because it's cheap.

> People don't buy this because it's crap. They buy it because it's cheap.

This is an interesting thread to pull on. Why is it so inexpensive for the east to make plastic garbage and sell it to the world?

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Our whole current civilization could be construed as advanced alien tech servicing a humongous tribe of moronic apes. The fact that one fifth of the internet is dedicated to porn just speaks for itself. Just thinking about all the tech involved, from the capturing of footage using highly sophisticated camera, to the transmission over kilometers of fiber optics, to the stokage into redundant and consistent databases b…

It's interesting that this is where your mind goes on an unrelated bit of content.

3% of the internet is complaining that 20% of the internet is porn.

--source, my butt.

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