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I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by whatever1 »

voxleone wrote: post #299

It’s worth acknowledging the real challenges raised in this thread: desktop Linux still has rough edges for some use cases, hardware support isn’t always perfect, and niche professional software may lack native support or require workarounds. But these obstacles are not intrinsic technical limitations so much as ecosystem and investment gaps, areas where community projects, standards efforts, and wider adoption could…

Nobody cares about what runs under the hood (I mean the real market, not the dozen of us nerds), as long as it looks and plays nice. Market already uses linux both in the form of android but also as a server OS. For both of these the financial incentive was there for someone to write the drivers, make the UI user friendly (android users never have to open a terminal), create sales channels.

Desktop and laptop market is weird because no hardware vendor wants to compete with MS. The only one who does (apple), owns both the hardware and software as well as sales channels, so they are not affected by MS’s deals.

Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by yxhuvud »

free652 wrote: post #309
WD-42 wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amd drivers might not there, and they will continue to not be there on the version of the kernel you are using and choosing to be stuck on by using Debian. Drivers are part of the kernel in Linux, it’s not how windows works. Ubuntu and Fedora are not unstable, you are just choosing pain for yourself.

>Drivers are part of the kernel in Linux While the drivers at the runtime are part of the kernel, they are not distributed as part of the kernel. My drivers are *latest* -> 6.16.6.30200100-2255209.24.04 https://instinct.docs.amd.com/projects/amdgpu-docs/en/latest... Debian is *stable*, but you are so far only proving my point in my original post. If you are going to download ubuntu, the version proposed is 24.04 that…

> Debian is stable,

Stable in Linux language is a synonym for OLD. Don't let any stable OSes near any hardware that is newer than the release, and you'll be fine.

Linux 6.12 was released back in 2024, which is several months earlier than the hardware you have. So the reasonable expectation is that there is a high chance that fixes for it won't be in yet.

And use the builtin AMD drivers, you shouldn't have to touch those assuming other choices were done ok.

Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by jrnng »

voxleone wrote: post #299

It’s worth acknowledging the real challenges raised in this thread: desktop Linux still has rough edges for some use cases, hardware support isn’t always perfect, and niche professional software may lack native support or require workarounds. But these obstacles are not intrinsic technical limitations so much as ecosystem and investment gaps, areas where community projects, standards efforts, and wider adoption could…

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Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by Chance-Device »

dlcarrier wrote: post #528
Chance-Device wrote: post #497

Everyone is talking about moving to Linux lately, it’s a bit of a trend. I wish they’d stop, for one simple reason: I’ve been using Linux exclusively (when I’m not forced to use macOS by work) for several years now, and I rather enjoy the lack of malware, spyware and other bullshit on the platform. If the general public comes over this situation might end. Desktop linux isn’t a target right now because its niche, I’d…

There's a lot of servers running Linux that are regularly targeted by malware. There is a big difference in what software a desktop user runs versus what runs on a server, but the great thing about Linux is that you can keep just as much variation between your install and the average desktop user. Your best bet for security is probably running OpenBSD, but within Linux, if you avoid common optional applications and s…

Thanks, and that probably is a good security posture, but having to stop using everything good and switch to OpenBSD is exactly what I want to avoid!

Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by mystifyingpoi »

graemep wrote: post #429
BuddyPickett wrote: post #424

Linux doesn't have all the features that Windows has, features that I use daily. It also doesn't work with all of my games and software so it's a non starter for me still. Tried it several times but it always falls short of what I need. I do have it sandboxed in Windows but it's rare that it is needed for how I use a computer.

What specific features? Some people have specific software they need, but features really surprises me.

For me, one of them would be an actually working way of putting laptop to sleep. Screw you, modern standby.

Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by yxhuvud »

free652 wrote: post #381
WD-42 wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just false. Amdgpu is an in tree kernel module and has been forever. https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/gpu/amdgpu/index.html If you are installing via an outside method, again, you are going agasint the grain for no good reason and making problems for yourself. Nobody is suggesting installing LTS on brand new hardware.

>This is just false. Amdgpu is an in tree kernel module and has been forever. https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/gpu/amdgpu/index.html You are arguing and arguing and shifting goal posts as we go. The facts are: * I am running the latest amdgpu video driver. * AI 395 wasn't released yesterday, but a year ago. * (My original point) Many different permutations of hardware / os / kernel / drivers / window manager /…

Honestly, just switching to a kernel that isn't older than your hardware have a decent chance of fixing your issues. It is typically fine to upgrade kernels unless the distro has made some special modifications to them, and it was a very long time since I was hit by something like that.

Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by mystifyingpoi »

raffael_de wrote: post #421
School-Cotton wrote: post #391

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That just isn't true. Battery life, for example, is definitely not irrelevant for most users.

Most people sit at their desk with the laptop plugged into the socket and use the battery for meetings or in a cafeteria. Either takes maybe an hour or two, three hours tops.

So what? Most people don't care about battery, so let's just have a crap battery? That argument would work, if Apple released a super light laptop with a tiny battery, specially made for "most people who sit at their desk".

No, people do care about battery life. That's where Macs excel. (I'm saying this as a Thinkpad user, where getting 6-8hrs of battery is doable, if you don't do anything on the laptop).

Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by mrstackdump »

bachmeier wrote: post #388
voxleone wrote: post #299

It’s worth acknowledging the real challenges raised in this thread: desktop Linux still has rough edges for some use cases, hardware support isn’t always perfect, and niche professional software may lack native support or require workarounds. But these obstacles are not intrinsic technical limitations so much as ecosystem and investment gaps, areas where community projects, standards efforts, and wider adoption could…

> Viewed through the lens of digital autonomy and citizenship, the question isn’t simply “Is Linux perfect?” but rather: Do we want our fundamental computing environment to be ultimately under our control, or controlled by private interests with their own incentives? As a user of Linux as my main desktop OS for more than 20 years, a user of Linux far longer than that, and a promoter of FOSS before that was a term, th…

> There are now adults that grew up in the age of social media that have no idea how local computing works.

Very few people of any age understood how local computing (or any computing) works. There's probably more now since most of the world is connected.

Profit scale has reached a point where commercial OS creators have to do stuff like shove ads into the UI. There's probably more legitimate need from non-developers to use Linux now than ever before, just to get a better base-line user experience.

Re: I dumped Windows 11 for Linux, and you should too

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Post by TheCleric »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #414
voxleone wrote: post #299

It’s worth acknowledging the real challenges raised in this thread: desktop Linux still has rough edges for some use cases, hardware support isn’t always perfect, and niche professional software may lack native support or require workarounds. But these obstacles are not intrinsic technical limitations so much as ecosystem and investment gaps, areas where community projects, standards efforts, and wider adoption could…

Will these issues with Linux ever be overcome? I want to switch but I just don't feel confident yet, and I wonder how long the "yet" will remain.

Here’s a simple decision tree:

Do you run any exotic hardware? Do you run MS Office regularly? Do you run any highly specialized software?

If the answer is no to all those then Linux is worth a shot.

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