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Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by rayiner »

woodruffw wrote: post #236

Of note: the US's per capita consumption of meat has increased by more than 100 pounds over the last century[1]. We now consume an immense amount of meat per person in this country. That increase is disproportionately in poultry, but we also consume more beef[2]. A demand for the average American to eat more meat would have to explain, as a baseline, why our already positive trend in meat consumption isn't yielding p…

The starting point for that data is 1909, when average life expectancy was under 50 years and child malnourishment was a major problem. The change since 1970 has been much quite modest: http://ers.usda.gov/data-products/charts-of-note/chart-detai...

Also, you need to adjust for demographics. In 1900, 35% of the population was under 15: https://demographicchartbook.com/index.php/chapter-5-age-and.... Today it’s only 19%. Children and babies obviously eat a lot less meat than adults, and they make up a much smaller share of the population today than back then.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by ranger207 »

fullshark wrote: post #460
deflator wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a low bar. The previous nutrition guidelines were garbage for generations

And what does it say about traditional governance that it takes a someone like RFK to actually do anything about it.

A stopped clock is right twice a day. A running clock set incorrectly is correct zero times a day. If you have an incorrect clock, the solution isn't to stop the clock, it's to set it correctly and fix the process

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by TheAlchemist »

I like the title - average food in the US is absolute shit - both in taste and from health perspective. It doesn't even taste like real food most of the time. Just like sugar with some flavour...

I don't get the 'For decades we've been misled' though - what guidance prioritiezed highly processed food ? From the look on both pyramids, they pretty much recommend the same things, in different proportions (more proteins now, less carbs) - but I don't think any reasonable guidance promoted highly processed sweet carbs before.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by hahahahhaah »

Nice one... so they look like heros for maybe $100k or $1m spent on a website that is like a hackathon showcase. But what action are they taking? Is junk food going to be taxed. Are they making healthy food more affordable?

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by SamDc73 »

I see a lot of people complaining about red meat.

It’s not the healthiest food, but it’s a much weaker risk factor than diets high in processed foods (including processed meats), refined carbs, added sugar, and excess salt.

For adults (25–64), the biggest diet-linked contributors to cardiometabolic death were sugar-sweetened beverages and processed meats. [1]

also form the paper:

High sodium intake → ~66,000 deaths (9.5%)

Low nuts & seeds intake → ~59,000 deaths (8.5%)

High processed meat intake → ~57,000 deaths (8.2%)

Low seafood omega-3 intake → ~54,000 deaths (7.8%)

Low vegetable intake → ~53,400 deaths (7.6%)

Low fruit intake → ~52,000 deaths (7.5%)

High sugar-sweetened beverage intake → ~51,000 deaths (7.4%) Low whole-grain intake → ~41,000 deaths (5.9%)

High unprocessed red meat intake → ~2,900 deaths (0.4%)

(Full table is on page 5 of the linked paper)

[1] https://episeminars.web.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/754...

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by rainsford »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #191

For all the lunacy of RFK this somehow is actually a really good set of guidelines? Certainly better than the previous version. I didn't expect that to be honest.

I had a similar reaction. Although I can't help but notice that even in something like this it included the now obligatory combative culture war framing with "we are ending the war on protein".

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by jasonlotito »

AstroBen wrote: post #434
sdo72 wrote: post #324

I don't think it's even about low carb vs. high protein to begin with. Many countries and regions in the world are fine with a high-carb diet, and people there live long, healthy lives. Americans eat so much processed food simply because it is much cheaper than fresh food. Processed food is made to get consumers addicted (through convenience, taste, etc.) and encourage them to consume much more. Fresh food is almost…

> Americans eat so much processed food simply because it is much cheaper than fresh food. I don't understand how people come to this conclusion Beans/grains/legumes are cheap Frozen veg is dirt cheap (and retains its nutrition as good as, or better than fresh). In-season fruit and veg Which foods are more expensive? People are door-dashing their salaries away and complaining about the price of fresh food... Convenien…

> I don't understand how people come to this conclusion

Then maybe you shouldn't speak on it until you understand how they came to this conclusion. Knowing you have opinions based on ignorance and refusing to change isn't a good way to live.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by thephyber »

woodruffw wrote: post #236

Of note: the US's per capita consumption of meat has increased by more than 100 pounds over the last century[1]. We now consume an immense amount of meat per person in this country. That increase is disproportionately in poultry, but we also consume more beef[2]. A demand for the average American to eat more meat would have to explain, as a baseline, why our already positive trend in meat consumption isn't yielding p…

There’s a restaurant in Las Vegas, the Heart Attack Grill, which sarcastically plays on this trope.

> It has become internationally famous for embracing and promoting an unhealthy diet of incredibly large hamburgers. Customers are referred to as "patients," orders as "prescriptions," and the waitresses as "nurses." All those who weigh over 350 pounds are invited to unlimited free food provided they weigh themselves on an electronic cattle scale affront a cheering restaurant crowd.

> The menu includes the Single Bypass Burger®, Double Bypass Burger®, Triple Bypass Burger®, Quadruple Bypass Burger®, Quintuple Bypass Burger™, Sextuple Bypass Burger™, Septuple Bypass Burger™, and the Octuple Bypass Burger™. These dishes range in weight from half a pound to four pounds of beef. Also on the menu are Flatliner Fries® (cooked in pure lard) and the Coronary Dog™, Lucky Strike no filter cigarettes, alcohol, Butterfat Milkshakes™, full sugar Coca-Cola, and candy cigarettes for the kids!

https://heartattackgrill.com/press

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by MrMember »

sallveburrpi wrote: post #334
sdo72 wrote: post #324

I don't think it's even about low carb vs. high protein to begin with. Many countries and regions in the world are fine with a high-carb diet, and people there live long, healthy lives. Americans eat so much processed food simply because it is much cheaper than fresh food. Processed food is made to get consumers addicted (through convenience, taste, etc.) and encourage them to consume much more. Fresh food is almost…

This should be top comment When I was visiting the US I was shocked how much more expensive “real” food is. Here I am spending more if I eat out or processed food versus cooking my own food at home. In the US it was basically the inverse, didn’t make any sense to me. (N=1 and 10 year old experience, but it seems to have only gotten more extreme since)

I don't see this at all. Staple foods are cheap and abundant. Fruits and vegetables don't cost much at all. Some animal proteins can get a bit pricy (beef mostly) but chicken and pork aren't that expensive. Eggs are like $2 a dozen.

I love my meat but if I switched to a vegetarian diet it would be trivial to make varied, delicious meals at $1.50-$2 a portion.

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