I think people are overindexed on the US's failures to turn Islamic theocracies into democracies. The people in Venezuela want democracy. It's a fundamentally different situation.
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#542I will spare saying the obvious illegality of such actions and how serious this is. I will just say something else: I grew up as a kid between the 80s and 90s, when the world felt like it was going towards a brighter age of peace and respect. Berlin wall falling, China opening, Apartheid ending in South Africa, even Palestine and Israel were moving towards a more peaceful future. But since then the world has just pro…
It seems like a cycle. Peace --> war --> new world order --> peace.
Also, there's probably correlation between wealth inequality and war. Wealth inequality leads to radical leaders which can lead to wars.
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#543Prediction: the regime will not fall. This will destabilize the country further, not so much the regime itself. There will be a decrease in oil production, marginally boosting world prices. What's probably being taken out right now is the regime's ability to react in any meaningful way to the oil embargo. It will also allow Maduro to throw his hands in the air and blame the US for all of VZLA's ills going forward. Mo…
A military coup seems like a decent possibility here IMO.
The Venezuelan opposition leader was extracted and moved to Europe and I assume the US wants to install her. Maybe that is more likely, but a military takeover before the US can install whatever puppet government they're hoping for.
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#544This is illegal, immoral, unsupported by the vast majority of the US population and requiring immediate action by every US citizen and elected official.
I am ashamed being part of HN where a lot of people here supporting this terrorism.
No matter how fucked up any country can be, US president has no right to bomb or terrorize other countries.
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#545This is pretty standard for America, nothing new. https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities...
I'm surprised Github let something like this to stay up.
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#546If you think this is primarily about drugs and authoritarianism, don't overlook this one important dimension: the country with the largest proven oil reserves in the world is...Venezuela.
[0] https://www.baidarcenter.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/8...
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#547If the last couple of years have taught anyone anything, your country is an open target if it doesn't have its own Iron Dome.
or nukes... Welcome to the new arms race.
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#548My entire life, we have always been at war. :|
“The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or East Asia, but to keep the very structure of society intact.” ― George Orwell
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#549I just spent way too much time reading through this thread looking for a single post more concerned about Venezuela and its people than the poster's own politics. I gave up when I noticed I was only a 1/4 of the way through thread, should have started from the bottom.
There is none to be found. The people need to play the zombie apocalypse - arm and survive.
The main players: - current government - local army - invading army - chinese and Russian proxies - multiple smaller groups - opposition
And probably more will play the power struggle in the foreseeable future. Unaffiliated people will somehow need to find a way to navigate this mess
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#550Project "don't talk about Epstein" is well under way.