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Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by jameshilliard »

recroad wrote: post #539
jameshilliard wrote: post #536

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Country A is resisting a 75 year violent occupation and apartheid (see stats posted earlier) and currently suffering genocide. Apartheid is race based discrimination, not citizenship based like what happens in Israel/Palestine. Making an accusation of genocide does not mean there actually is a genocide. > Anyone denying that is no different than anyone denying the holocaust - equally vile and reprehensible. Compari…

How about you and I stay out of it and let international organizations whose job it is to monitor this have their say? Are you ok with that? You trust Amnesty and the UN? The sign of a brainwashed person is to equate this occupation with Islamic terrorism. Unfortunately, you have fallen to propaganda by even bringing that up. Jews and Muslims have lived together peacefully for hundreds of years prior to 1948. There h…

> How about you and I stay out of it and let international organizations whose job it is to monitor this have their say? Are you ok with that?

Why would I blindly trust the conclusions of "international organizations"? Especially ones that have shown themselves to have very little integrity?

> You trust Amnesty and the UN?

The same Amnesty international that has shown to have serious issues with bias across multiple conflicts?[0][1]

The same UN which has thrown away essentially all of their credibility when it comes to anything related to Israel?[2]

Obviously I would never blindly trust these organizations.

> The sign of a brainwashed person is to equate this occupation with Islamic terrorism.

There is an occupation because the Palestinians have refused to negotiate a final peace agreement, Israel clearly can not unilaterally end the occupation as they did in 2005 with Gaza and expect a positive outcome.

> Jews and Muslims have lived together peacefully for hundreds of years prior to 1948.

Where have they lived together peacefully as equals for hundreds of years prior to 1948?

> There has been nothing but respect between those two religions going back for as long as one can remember.

There's a long history of conflict between Jews and Muslims throughout the years, obviously in recent years it has been worse in a lot of ways.[3][4]

> The change is Zionism. That’s what the problem is, not radical Islam or radical Judaism. Zionism != Judaism.

So Jews wanting to have a state where they wouldn't have to live as second class citizens[5] and have a right to self determination was the problem? Why would it be so hard for Muslims to accept the existence of a Jewish majority state when there are plenty of Muslim majority states?

After the holocaust it's entirely reasonable that Jews would reject being forced to live as a minority in a Muslim majority state.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/28/amnesty-intern...

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/ngos-anti-...

[2] https://unwatch.org/2025-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517_Hebron_attacks

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by judah »

ignoramous wrote: post #285
judah wrote: post #106

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Gaza (Hamas), the West Bank (Fatah), and Lebanon (Hezbollah) are the reason this technology is needed in the first place: violent religious fundamentalists firing cheap rockets at Jewish cities because of religious hatred. Over 16,000 rocket attacks on Israel last year alone. Thanks to the Iron Dome technology, nearly 90% of such attacks were intercepted, saving thousands of lives. This new Iron Beam technology is mo…

> violent religious fundamentalists firing ... cities because of religious hatred Some tend to be more introspective: Shahak's Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel picked up on the theme in explaining its pervasive, destructive influence in Israeli politics, the military and society. He noted that substituting German or Aryan for Jewish and non-Jews for Jews makes it easy to see how a superiority doctrine made an earlier…

What a remarkably misleading copypasta you have there.

Rav Kook was not Israel's first rabbi. He died in 1935 - a full 18 years before Israel's rebirth.

Nor was Kook the founder of Zionism. The belief that Jews should be able to return to our historic homeland has been a belief and conviction for religious and secular Jews for at least two millenia.

That you can find individuals, such as a R. Friedman (not even an Israeli!) with extreme views should not surprise anyone. Nutpicking is easy. Jews, like any other group, have fools and extremists in their rank. Israel is a plural democracy with 2 million Arabs, 7 million Jews, thousands of Christians and Druze, all with representation in the multiparty Knesset.

Hamas's evil, however, is not nutpicking. Hamas' founding charter in its opening paragraphs calls for the destruction of Israel and its conquest of the land in the name of Islam. It is genuinely intrinsic to the organization.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by jameshilliard »

recroad wrote: post #540
jameshilliard wrote: post #531

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Why did you leave out Benny Morris[0] from your list of New Historians[1]? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Morris [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Historians

No problem, include him. Also include Norm Finklestein and watch their debate hosted by Lex Fridman.

> Also include Norm Finklestein

Why would he be one of the New Historians? Norman Finkelstein isn't really even a historian, he's more of a activist/political scientist if anything AFAIU.

> watch their debate hosted by Lex Fridman.

I've seen it, it's pretty clear if you dig into the facts that the accusations of genocide against Israel are not supported by the evidence.

It's also quite clear that people like Norman Finkelstein like to cherry-pick facts(often from books written by Benny Morris) to support a particular narrative. Benny Morris tends to take a more balanced view of the history in general which has a lot of nuance.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by xg15 »

judah wrote: post #542
ignoramous wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> violent religious fundamentalists firing ... cities because of religious hatred Some tend to be more introspective: Shahak's Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel picked up on the theme in explaining its pervasive, destructive influence in Israeli politics, the military and society. He noted that substituting German or Aryan for Jewish and non-Jews for Jews makes it easy to see how a superiority doctrine made an earlier…

What a remarkably misleading copypasta you have there. Rav Kook was not Israel's first rabbi. He died in 1935 - a full 18 years before Israel's rebirth. Nor was Kook the founder of Zionism. The belief that Jews should be able to return to our historic homeland has been a belief and conviction for religious and secular Jews for at least two millenia. That you can find individuals, such as a R. Friedman (not even an Is…

As I wrote here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46451250 , have a look at the current (!) cabinet members.

People who are actively endorsing kahanism are in the center of power today.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by recroad »

jameshilliard wrote: post #541
recroad wrote: post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about you and I stay out of it and let international organizations whose job it is to monitor this have their say? Are you ok with that? You trust Amnesty and the UN? The sign of a brainwashed person is to equate this occupation with Islamic terrorism. Unfortunately, you have fallen to propaganda by even bringing that up. Jews and Muslims have lived together peacefully for hundreds of years prior to 1948. There h…

> How about you and I stay out of it and let international organizations whose job it is to monitor this have their say? Are you ok with that? Why would I blindly trust the conclusions of "international organizations"? Especially ones that have shown themselves to have very little integrity? > You trust Amnesty and the UN? The same Amnesty international that has shown to have serious issues with bias across multiple…

Alright, good luck with doing your own “research”. You’re in the same category of conspiracy theorists as MAGA. Nothing I can say will change your mind.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by Gibbon1 »

delichon wrote: post #385
Gibbon1 wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a reminder pushing people to start wars they can't win is shitty.

To me those stats suggest that the Palestinians have a bigger advantage in making love than war. How do you think they encourage war?

You encourage war and murder. What you just said is that while the Palestinians in Gaza aren't strong enough now to kill and enslave the Jews and Arabs in Israel they will be in the future. And once they are they will do that. And the thought of that makes you hopeful.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by recroad »

jameshilliard wrote: post #543
recroad wrote: post #540

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No problem, include him. Also include Norm Finklestein and watch their debate hosted by Lex Fridman.

> Also include Norm Finklestein Why would he be one of the New Historians? Norman Finkelstein isn't really even a historian, he's more of a activist/political scientist if anything AFAIU. > watch their debate hosted by Lex Fridman. I've seen it, it's pretty clear if you dig into the facts that the accusations of genocide against Israel are not supported by the evidence. It's also quite clear that people like Norman F…

See earlier links listed including by Jewish genocide experts. But nah, you know more than them because you chatgpt’d it.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by jameshilliard »

recroad wrote: post #545
jameshilliard wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How about you and I stay out of it and let international organizations whose job it is to monitor this have their say? Are you ok with that? Why would I blindly trust the conclusions of "international organizations"? Especially ones that have shown themselves to have very little integrity? > You trust Amnesty and the UN? The same Amnesty international that has shown to have serious issues with bias across multiple…

Alright, good luck with doing your own “research”. You’re in the same category of conspiracy theorists as MAGA. Nothing I can say will change your mind.

I'm not the one effectively denying the holocaust.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by delichon »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #546
delichon wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me those stats suggest that the Palestinians have a bigger advantage in making love than war. How do you think they encourage war?

You encourage war and murder. What you just said is that while the Palestinians in Gaza aren't strong enough now to kill and enslave the Jews and Arabs in Israel they will be in the future. And once they are they will do that. And the thought of that makes you hopeful.

I'm a Zionist.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by jmward01 »

solidsnack9000 wrote: post #537
jmward01 wrote: post #475

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CWIS is pretty massive, not that this isn't still big, but I think this is taking a miniaturization turn, is upping the accuracy and number of engagements it can handle significantly and potentially upping the range especially in urban environments. CWIS in an urban environment would cause chaos and a lot of collateral damage to buildings but you can now be very sure that only your intended target is being hit so peo…

CIWS is big but this has nothing to do with it -- it's actually easier to make a small turret, and small arms precision has been well understood for a long time. Put a 6.5mm Creedmoor on a computer controlled turret -- 6.5mm Creedmoor is generally accepted to be usable to 1km or more. Range is limited in urban environments because of obstructions -- even the range of CIWS is far too great to be useful. There hasn't b…

Range due to obstacles is greatly overcome with altitude. My point about the 13yo is that -you- think it is unworkable, but a country that doesn't mind the word 'genocide' thinks it is a fine definition. Camera tech quickly went this route right? 'you could mount that camera but we haven't done it and therefor won't' turned into multiple cameras covering every square inch of a city from multiple angles once the tech was easy enough. The 'easy enough' trend is clear here. Miniaturization, precision, ease of maintenance, etc make the reasons this hasn't been done rapidly fall away and make it clear that it will be done. There is a clear argument that is isn't, yet, realistic to be done but this is a clear step in that direction.
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