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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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This is just bad PR from Indian government. Communication minister clarifies the app is optional https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/tel... Reuters/BBC have been famous to pounce and sensationalizing.

Sounds like both articles are right: There was a private government order to preload that app to smartphone makers. And it is not mandatory for citizens to use the app.

No sensationalizing apart from you it seems

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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> The only possible reason for it is if you have a personal instigatory agenda Here's another possible reason: I actively dislike totalitarianism. If you're able to make a substantiated comment beyond the trope of "totally irrelevant", I'd be happy to entertain your opinion. > As Slashdot named it, you are just a "Anonymous Coward" [...] and a troll. Again, resorting to name calling and equating anonymity with trolli…

Keep digging the hole; it lets people see and realize your agenda. To repeat myself; All that you have posted are totally irrelevant to the topic under discussion. The only possible reason for it is if you have a personal instigatory agenda ... That is exactly what a "troll"/anonymous coward" does. It is the accepted nomenclature in the Interwebs for such behaviour.

Yeah, just repeat a generic, vapid comment that adds nothing; my comments stand unchallenged.

I don't think you have an actual personal opinion, you just feel the need to tow a line (you know, due to some personal agenda probably), but don't have the data to back it up.

"No, my side is right and yours wrong" isn't a counter-argument, it's just boring.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

#543

I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

I completely agree with the sentiment. I think from their perspective, it's just a case of what CAN be done vs what is morally acceptable.

If knives were technologically sophisticated enough that they could be programmed to refuse to pierce particular materials, you know that the government would be forcing manufacturers to include human flesh in that list, and making liable anyone who sells one without that restriction.

This is the first time we've had a device that we rely on for almost all our daily activities, produced by a small handful of businesses that are easy for states to pressure.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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How do you think operators built a database of spammers? I've been reporting spammers since 2005, since DND rules came into place. Only in the last year have I seen the spam slow down. Earlier operators would dismiss the complaint saying to it was a "transactional communication," now it's logged with TRAI and the operator and they have less room to manipulate the complaint.

Reports submitted through the new TRAI DND app and Sanchar Sathi are handled identically. Simply installing Sanchar Sathi won’t eliminate spam calls, which was my point.

That's not my understanding.

The TRAI DND app, on IOS, generates a pre-formatted SMS which is sent to the operator on the standard number 1909.

The Sanchar Sathi app sends it to a DOT entity which then routes it to the operator while updating the govt database of reported spammers and scammers. The options are much extensive than just a spam call/sms.

You can report that the individual was impersonating a public official etc while you can not do than at all with the TRAI DND app.

I suggest you try out the platform on their website first before commenting further.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Hindu Nationalist

You're getting down voted, but I think your point was to clarify that it's not simply nationalist, but particularly Hindu nationalist. You are correct, of course: it is.

Of course; it is not.

As i pointed out in my other comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46120239 you are just a "troll" trying to misdirect in a totally irrelevant direction.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

#547

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Digital ID makes no difference to this whatsoever. If a government wanted to cut you off from utilities they could make it happen within hours already. Same with conscription, which needless to say was invented and effectively implemented prior to the invention of digital anything.

You should maybe read some articles about modern situations where people dodged conscription before assuming what is practical today. The average person who hasn't thought about it for a week is certainly in trouble but..

Why is the solution to avoiding conscription being able to hide rather than making the conscription not happen in the first place?

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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> I don’t really get why people seem convinced that the government is removing protections for all citizens under a smokescreen of illegal immigration handling, as opposed to taking limited and temporary measures to deal with an unusual situation. Probably because the actions being taken are against people of every category; illegal immigrants, legal immigrants, and naturally born citizens. As has been noted, _anyone…

What actions are being taken against legal immigrants and naturally born citizens? Are you referring to getting arrested and released due to some suspicion (let’s say the suspicion is always fabricated for the sake of argument), or deported, or something else? On due process, if someone accidentally gets a free flight to a foreign country, that totally sucks and they should be paid compensation, but let’s not pretend…

> On due process, if someone accidentally gets a free flight to a foreign country, that totally sucks and they should be paid compensation, but let’s not pretend that deportation is the same as what authoritarian regimes typically do.

Are you being facetious, or do you genuinely think so lightly of people being black bagged with no due process and deported to a random country that you'll joke about it being a "free flight?"

Also, you seem to not be aware that deportation and "voluntary deportation (via various forms of pressure)" of Jewish people was the step Nazi Germany did before the concentration camps.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Mate, this isn't even remotely "nationalist". This stuff is being pushed across the world. Digital ID? The only people really desperate for it are our rulers.

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I always LOL when the midwit lefty Americans on this board trot out the whole "America's left wing is akshually center right by global standards" routine.

Meanwhile, here on planet earth, India (by far the worlds largest democracy) is run by out and out ethno-nationalists.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Mate, this isn't even remotely "nationalist". This stuff is being pushed across the world. Digital ID? The only people really desperate for it are our rulers.

How so? In Sweden we have digital ID and it's great! Super practical and I struggle to think of how it would be used to spy on citizens, given that it has the same legal protections as banks have regarding your account transactions etc. Like sure you could in theory see every document I've ever signed if you have a warrant for BankID servers, but you could probably glean most of that if you had a warrant for the bank…

Swedish police use Palantirs gotham software. Your data is in.
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