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How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by pretext-1 »

xmcqdpt2 wrote: post #499
nullbyte808 wrote: post #465

Insane. Luckily he can use a family member to regain some use of these services or by using a trust company, but still.

That’s sanctions evasion and those companies will be very wary in providing services to any close family of a sanctioned person. My guess is that these people’s SOs, children and their SOs are similarly banned, and that siblings, parents and “close associates” have to provide way more documentation when opening bank accounts than you and I.

Pretty sure the news coverage would have mentioned that if that was the case.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by dredmorbius »

thenaturalist wrote: post #535
dredmorbius wrote: post #456

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN mods act on behaviour rather than position . If someone's violating HN's guidelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html >) or FAQ ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html >), flag the post or comment. Both links are found at the bottom of most HN pages. If there's an egregious violation, email mods at hn@ycombinator.com. Most moderation (that is, votes and flags) are by members of the site, mods…

This reads like a sleek way to weasel oneself out of responsibility. So what you're effectively implying is that the court of public (in Israel instances very clearly biased) opinion rules the site? So guidelines for thee (Israel supporters) but not for me (Israel haters and Antisemites). A famous poem from Martin Niemöller, who actually lived through facism comes to mind: First they came for the Communists And I did…

It can be frustrating, and I'd engaged for years on HN with the assumption that The Mods were Biased Against My Point of View. This itself is a common trope: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...> and https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...>.

I've changed that opinion, both by observing their behaviour (you can follow both your own, and any users' threads, on HN, including mods, which I review fairly frequently), and overall site characteristics (see: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...> and https://toot.cat/deck/tags/HackerNewsAnalytics> and related).

I do have some remaining concerns that HN's policies can amount to tone-policing, and that issues which are themselves long-standing or recurring, regardless of other merits, tend to trip across the guidelines to a greater extent, which imposes a natural bias against them.

That said, if you do want to discuss a volatile, persistent, or repetitive issue, you'll find far greater success if you do so with HN's principles and guidelines in mind. It might possibly also make you a more efficient advocate and debater.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by polski-g »

immibis wrote: post #117
sfifs wrote: post #113

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I'm very surprised the US doesn't seem to be taking the risk of Ukraine becoming a Nuclear Weapons state seriously. By now, they surely would have had time to develop get to the brink of weaponization as a backup plan - they've after all always had a nuclear industry. If they do so and offer cover to their neighbors who realize NATO may not be sufficient, we are in for interesting times.

Ukraine WAS a nuclear weapons state, until the US agreed to protect them from Russia with the US's nuclear weapons, if they gave up their own.

The Senate never ratified that treaty, so no the US never agreed to so that. And the Budapest Memorandum doesn't say that anyway.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by polski-g »

PeterStuer wrote: post #161
petcat wrote: post #24

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EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

As a European I can agree with the US and China stuff. But a Russian Invasion? Seriously?

Yeah it's all very dumb. The rest of Europe is protected by no less then three state nuclear triads. Ukraine was not.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by nicbou »

beloch wrote: post #348
general1465 wrote: post #238

The more USA is going to use this leaver, the likely they will make this leaver useless in the future. Like with China, when they overused chips leaver which stunted China for a while, but eventually gave them a way to establish their own chip industry. Now that leaver is becoming effectively useless. It will ends up same with EU.

It's directly analogous to China issuing export bans. They tried this with critical minerals. Critical minerals aren't actually all that uncommon. They just weren't being actively extracted in most places. Now many extraction projects are starting to roll around the globe because it has become clear China was willing to use access to them as leverage. My guess is that China will be highly reluctant to restrict export…

> this kind of power is illusory. If you ever use it, you lose it.

But the threat of using it can tie up a significant amount of your adversaries' resources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet_in_being

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by quotz »

_djo_ wrote: post #509
insane_dreamer wrote: post #474

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> any sovereign country, can join whatever alliances it wants too unless you're Cuba, or Vietnam, or Nicaragua, or Chile, and the list goes on but yes, in theory you're right; in practice history shows that if they are small and powerless then they cannot, not without consequences

Cuba I have addressed. The US was invited into South Vietnam to help defend them against an invasion from North Vietnam. We can debate the morality of the resulting war, which was questionable, but it was not a US invasion. The US invasion of Nicaragua was in 1912, long before the modern post-WWII era of stronger international law. Chile was not invaded by the US. If these are the examples you have, you don’t have a…

The argument is that these rules that you describe that any country can join any mutual defence pact without any repercussions is just plain wrong, mainly because the US would be immediately working against that even with military interventions. Its the same thing with how the US's stance for foreign policy is to push democracy where it suits them if they have big influence with one of the parties, and to push favourable dictatorships if not. There's double standards and twofacedness by the US foreign policy which really everyone else sees besides US citizens themselves, mostly because the average american barely even knows anything about domestic politics let alone foreign ones (except the few propaganda topics we get from the three letter tv channels).

Just answer this question, would the US object to, possibly with military intervention, if Mexico or Canada would join a military defence pact with China or Russia, or India, or say really any other country besides the US, even Brazil. We both know the answer to this.

Now lets do even easier. Would the US object to any South American countries joining a mutual defence pact with Russia / China? We already have the answer to this.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by brabel »

wat10000 wrote: post #513
brabel wrote: post #490

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Russia would still stop because controlling the rest of Ukraine would be more trouble than it is worth for them. And they might gain some concessions from the West. Attacking NATO is a common talk point in the West about what happens after Russia takes over Ukraine and Zelenskyy is more than happy to suggest that is to be expected as he says they are fighting for all of Europe.

Invading Ukraine in the first place appears to have been far more trouble than it was worth, and it didn’t stop them.

On the contrary they seem to be doing much better than anyone expected, maybe even themselves, and they appear to have successfully stopped Ukraine from ever joining NATO which was absolutely their main objective, just see what they have been saying since 1992.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by quotz »

_djo_ wrote: post #510
quotz wrote: post #506

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Please read about the Monroe Doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

The Monroe Doctrine from 1823 ?

Yes, that doctrine got bastardized and became highly relevant after WW2, read the wiki

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by immibis »

breppp wrote: post #480
immibis wrote: post #450

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what do we say of the israeli squads that did the same thing? do we say they don't count because only brown people can do bad things?

There were no such death squads. Hamas killed a thousand Israeli civilians in 12 hours, if Israel used the same tactics (mass civilian executions by gun fire, einsatzgruppen style), most of the Gaza population would be killed by now (millions)

Okay? Most of the Gaza population has been killed by now.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by rldjbpin »

> Online bookings, such as through Expedia, are immediately canceled, even if they concern hotels in France.

as bizarre as it this situation is, similar power was leveraged to deny american it services to a non-european company outside of the eu [1].

of course not involving the exact judge, but this just highlights the geographical concentration of major web services.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44721174

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