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AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by whoknowsidont »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #468
whoknowsidont wrote: post #444

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Detail what changed? Because I can't point to anything. And I've been doing this for 4+ decades. A lot of that remote. So you're claiming things radically changed, and if such changes caused a huge shift in the workforce it should be pretty easy to give some examples, yeah? Instead of going "you're full of shit", just answer the question at hand and the one that was given to you multiple times. The fact that it's so…

This is just laughably ridiculous. OK, I'll bite though, even though I can't believe anyone is actually this willfully blind: 1. As the other commenter stated, gigabit Ethernet is now standard, and tons of people, throughout the world, have bandwidth to their home that can easily support high quality video conferencing. That just didn't exist 15+ years ago. 2. Group video chats on consumer grade devices simply didn't…

>I just honestly can't believe that someone who managed remote teams in 2005 thinks it's the same as managing in 2025

Because it ruins your narrative, not because it's a factual observation lol. The software your entire life is based on was built using remote teams.

>As the other commenter stated

Surely if you're able to read their comment you're able to read my response. All of these points were addressed and voided.

Go on wikipedia and read about the era or something, instead of larping as someone who was actually there.

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by jjk166 »

system2 wrote: post #476
jjk166 wrote: post #447

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The combine harvester and the automated telephone switchboard were tools. If a tool allows for tasks to be done with much less labor, and the quantity of those tasks that need doing don't increase by a commensurate amount, then it does mean replaced jobs. The people replaced may move into new and perhaps even better jobs, either at different employers or transforming their current roll, but the job they once had is i…

That's the natural evolution of jobs, though. It is not like barbers will lose their jobs because of a new Cylon coming to market. These tools are gradually improving and adding more speed to workers. If someone's job is extremely mundane and limited, they have to evolve before these things take over. Those people can also lose their jobs when a new, smarter, and harder-working employee is hired and capable of doing…

Change is inevitable, doesn't mean either the transition or the new normal will be pleasant. The internal combustion engine eliminated a lot of need for equine toil, but horses have not generally reaped the benefits of automation.

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by porridgeraisin »

alephnerd wrote: post #533
porridgeraisin wrote: post #532

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Interesting. Well, hope my friends get into GAYMAN companies then... whats the Y in there anyway? And is microsoft still excluded from the acronym? lol.

The Y means YC, and yes. MS has a strict "only-hire-in-India" policy now. Not to be a downer, but given the current market they are kind of screwed.

Ok, not asking in the context of this thread but in general: why do you think so? With their stake in openai especially and github being a good place to sell AI code assistants (one of the clear revenue streams for LLMs thus far) they seem quite well placed. Is it all their big "enterprise" and government contracts that bring them a lot of money now losing value?

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by macbem »

mattfrommars wrote: post #399

I can assure you a lot of veteran devs in my company who had major impact were let ago because of off shoring to India and Poland. My employer is a very well known financial institution, think Blackrock, Bloomberg etc. Public press paints picture of the firm laying off due to adoption of AI. Yet, I can assure you without doubt its not because of it but due to continued offshore. I think we are at the brink of opening…

The market is not so hot in Poland either right now, so I guess the flow to India continued or the funds have become more limited.

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by alephnerd »

porridgeraisin wrote: post #543
alephnerd wrote: post #533

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The Y means YC, and yes. MS has a strict "only-hire-in-India" policy now. Not to be a downer, but given the current market they are kind of screwed.

Ok, not asking in the context of this thread but in general: why do you think so? With their stake in openai especially and github being a good place to sell AI code assistants (one of the clear revenue streams for LLMs thus far) they seem quite well placed. Is it all their big "enterprise" and government contracts that bring them a lot of money now losing value?

1. Operational work is difficult to justify extremely high TCs

2. Other aspects of the business such as Cybersecurity just lack domestic talent in the US. That's why much of the MS Security portfolio engineering team is in Israel or India or people who are brought in via an L1/2

3. Vast swathes of MS employees from line level ICs up to Engineering Directors were stuck in immigration limbo because of the GC backlog or because of older parents, so a large number began returning to India with a slight shave on TC.

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by hhh »

carlosjobim wrote: post #525
hhh wrote: post #495

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Actually when I have a new group of diverse people in my neighborhood I tend to find it much more vibrant and fun, and I'm not 'losing' it at all.

What's not fun and vibrant about people of your own background?

Nothing, the modifier was more, indicating that having a diverse group makes it more interesting, not that it isn’t interesting without it.

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by porridgeraisin »

alephnerd wrote: post #545
porridgeraisin wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, not asking in the context of this thread but in general: why do you think so? With their stake in openai especially and github being a good place to sell AI code assistants (one of the clear revenue streams for LLMs thus far) they seem quite well placed. Is it all their big "enterprise" and government contracts that bring them a lot of money now losing value?

1. Operational work is difficult to justify extremely high TCs 2. Other aspects of the business such as Cybersecurity just lack domestic talent in the US. That's why much of the MS Security portfolio engineering team is in Israel or India or people who are brought in via an L1/2 3. Vast swathes of MS employees from line level ICs up to Engineering Directors were stuck in immigration limbo because of the GC backlog or…

Oh you meant the friends. I thought you were talking about MS the company being screwed. But yes that makes sense for the former interpretation.

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by x0x0 »

bonesss wrote: post #202
lazide wrote: post #135

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Also, Indian culture has a huge ‘overpromise, then try to cover it up’ issue at all levels. Outsourcers have really mastered it though. Source: lived in India for a year.

Hard truths about outsourcing: you’re always dealing with a cultural, political, and legal gap. Stuff that’s hella-illegal, that not even the remotest WFH citizen would ever try to pull, might look very tasty from another perspective. Economics that favour that cheap labour also means even marginal scams can seem wildly tempting on the other side.

Being subject to a real legal system clears up a lot of behavior.

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by x0x0 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #469
alephnerd wrote: post #308

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> Companies were already out-sourcing before great video conferencing software or an understanding of how to work with remote teams. And those experiments failed in the 2000s. But in the 2020s with an extended pandemic lockdown over 2-3 years, async work was proven to succeed. I am one of those decisionmakers and the pandemic effect did convince the last stragglers that offshoring by directly managing a subsidiary in…

Your experience exactly matches mine as well. But some of these comments are just like from another planet. Like a comment I responded to saying "All the tools that existed for remote work had been there, largely in the same fashion and capability, for decades", and then when I responded with disbelief about how anyone could think that remote working tools have been static for decades I was chastised for not giving s…

It's insane.

What you now get on your laptop, home internet, and Zoom was only available with $25k a room cisco gear 10 years ago. I don't think remote communication is anywhere near as good as in-person, but it's night and day different from 2015.

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by system2 »

croes wrote: post #524
system2 wrote: post #371

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I doubt. Good artists are still killing it. I see it on social media all the time. Also, corporations rarely care about the art as part of business. I don't remember the last time a tech company (or finance, wholesale, manufacturing, etc.) hired an artist. It is part of the job description of some managers, maybe, but who cares about someone with mediocre Photoshop skills?

I‘m talking about stock image artists. Nothing you put in your resume but it helps paying the bills, like the singers of all those silly advertisement jingles. Those jobs get killed.

Those jobs were already dead before Ai though. Oversaturated and controlled by major players like shutterstock.
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