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Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#541
In my experience, happiness takes explicit effort. No one is entitled to happiness because they are “X”.

Everyone has their own unique situation. That situation is constantly changing and complex. So it needs constant explicit attention and effort to stay close to the desired state.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#542

From personal experience, because we see a lot more of what's wrong but have no power to change it. Intelligence makes you notice problems and sometimes even come up with solutions much more easily. It does not make convincing other people significantly easier - at least not to the same level.

I'm not sure that adds up. I've never met anyone, no matter how dumb, who doesn't have a long list of things they see wrong with the world. The difference with the smart people is that they use their smarts to figure how to enact the change they want to see, including figuring out how to gain power where necessary.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

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For me this has 100% been the main source of unhappiness in my life. I wish nobody had ever told me how smart I was as a child. The reality was that I was above average but in an unremarkable collection of kids mostly. I’ve done fine in life academically and career wise but I’ll never live up to the expectations that were planted in my head. Thankfully you can get over this/yourself and let go of ego, ambition, achie…

I think easier said than done. I was similarly labelled as "gifted" as a child and have struggled my entire life with being ok with where I was, in academics, career even romantic relationships. Looking at what I've accomplished and obtained, they're objectively better than average along pretty much every dimension. But, I still struggle to be satisfied. I know this is a me issue, but I also don't know how to change…

Have you tried therapy? For many people, it works.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#544

It’s because everyone else is dumber than them…. So they constantly see avoidable mistakes and misunderstandings that could have been avoided…. Yet they cannot make the other people understand….because they think differently about it, and the people who don’t have that intelligence will not necessarily even be able to reorient their brains for the new information to be absorbed correctly. I constantly get demoralized…

I recently encountered someone who spoke like this and I researched what might be the issue. I came across narcissism. The idea that you’re smarter than everyone else. Comes from a grandiose sense of self importance. But the truth is most people are smarter than you in some ways and less smart in others, but you’re unable to see it because you’re in this black and white mode where preserving your ego relies on you be…

Reminds me of Gell-Mann amnesia and nobelitis; cognitive biases in general.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#545
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Might be useful to ask a different question: What makes people happy? It's things like relationships, satisfying work, accomplishment. (and many, many more) Then the real question emerges: How many of those happiness 'sources' are made better by intelligence? What percentage? Relationships? Seems like no. Work? Also seems like no, lots of work doesn't make use of a high IQ that people enjoy nonetheless. Accomplishmen…

I think you've hit on something important with work and accomplishment. I've heard software developers say over and over again they don't feel like they've actually accomplished anything when they complete some coding task. It's not just bug fixes, but tasks in general. Some of them take up hobbies like woodworking, where the results of your work are something tangible you can see and touch. But it's not just softwar…

Yeah I mean literally cleaning my house, watching dirt suck up, and reorganizing can be much more satisfying than fixing some stubborn backend systems bug that takes years of knowledge to have the mental tools to fix - lol

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#546
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, to put it another way Have the grace to accept things I cannot change, the power to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. An intelligent person usually knows a lot about a lot. The more things you know about, the more chances you have to make a mistake and think changing something is in your court, when it's really not.

You can know something is not within your power to change and still find the fact of its existence deeply upsetting.

That's why the saying I quoted had "the grace to accept the things I cannot change"

It's not "accept things that are not upsetting"

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#547

I’d do anything for a single high IQ , but open minded friend. I find every smart person I’ve met thinks the best strategy in life is to parrot other smart people. Don’t get me wrong it can be a successful strategy but I want someone to do first principles thinking with.

Hi. Want to schedule a call?

Sure thing. Email is in my profile.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#548
It's a common knowledge. Russian poet Alexander Griboyedov[1] wrote a poem about this paradox - Woe from Wit[2]. Note, that in this poem it's a satire, but it was still tongue-in-cheek title that reflects the real phenomenon.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Griboyedov

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woe_from_Wit

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#549

I think beyond a certain level surplus IQ begins to cause problems. While still useful, the amount of self-sabotage and thought spirals the brain can generate with the extra power can cause neuroses and unhappiness on a larger scale than those less intelligent are capable of. Combine it with higher societal expectations and it's no great mystery to me why smarter people seem unhappier. Just my thoughts anyways. I'm a…

I don't disagree, but I have seen a few counter examples in my life.

Some of the smartest people that I have known are also the kindest. It is like they are so smart that are able to understand and empathize with other people thoughts and feelings. In any place I go, I look for the kindest people and frequently you also find they are also really smart and interesting.

Re: Why aren't smart people happier?

#550
There's a Bertrand Russell book on this very topic, The Conquest of Happiness - https://www.amazon.com/Conquest-Happiness-Bertrand-Russell/d... (not an affiliate link)

I enjoyed the read. Felt like Russell just thought about this question for a while, and shared his thoughts. It was very practical and enjoyable.

Disclaimer: I recall some "wow, we don't talk like that anymore" moments. And I didn't enjoy the hyperbole of the cover quotes. But the content of the book debunks those.

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