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Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by Dylan16807 »

kbelder wrote: post #394
arghwhat wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does it make you less frustrated No. There is no valid justification, and the suggestion otherwise suggests a lack of understanding of what exactly these rude individuals are demanding. The very least people can do when receiving such quite extensive voluntary favors and dedication from others is to be polite and show proper gratitude and appreciation. Otherwise, they are not worth the personal and uncompensated sa…

They are also, by complaining, incentivizing other people to not even offer free services in the future. Why set yourself up for accusations that you're 'breaking your social contract' or whatnot?

Discouraging unreliable free things is good in a lot of cases.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Mawr wrote: post #538
jraph wrote: post #150

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Existing binaries don't stop working, but adapting your infra to get the update can take some time. Without other elements, it's definitely not nice to stop releasing the binaries out of the blue, especially for a security fix. To me it's purely a question of breaking expectations you've built yourself (I don't mean entitlement, I mean expectations). Now, it's indeed not the end of the world, and: > you have no one t…

> To me it's purely a question of breaking expectations you've built yourself (I don't mean entitlement, I mean expectations). Let me stop you right there. MiniIO never promised to provide docker images for free forever, have they? So where does this "expectation" come from? If thou are pained by any external thing, it is not the thing that disturbs thee, but thine own judgment about it. And it is in thy power to wip…

> it exists only in your mind

Yeah that's in the definition of the word "expectation".

But despite that, expectations based on actions are real, and you can't logic your way out of them mattering.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by maxloh »

Kevinmetaba wrote: post #238
mattbee wrote: post #89

They abandoned documentation (edit: for the open source codebase) a couple of weeks ago - that seems more significant. From their Slack on Oct 10: "The documentation sites at docs.min.io/community have been pulled of this morning and will redirect to the equivalent AIStor documentation where possible ". [emphasis mine] The minio/docs repository hasn't been updated in 2 weeks now, and the implication is that isn't goi…

During an upgrade, I discovered that the console had been removed without any prior notice. MinIO really pissed me off. Over a month ago, I started looking for a MinIO alternative and found RustFS. I've been testing RustFS for over a month now, and the product continues to improve, with the community fixing bugs very quickly. I hope YC will invest in this company.

Eh... however, I must add a strong note of caution. On their README, it states:

> RustFS is under rapid development. Do NOT use in production environments!

Also note that it seems to be a Chinese company (北京恒河沙科技有限公司), so security issues might arise.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by jraph »

Mawr wrote: post #538
jraph wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Existing binaries don't stop working, but adapting your infra to get the update can take some time. Without other elements, it's definitely not nice to stop releasing the binaries out of the blue, especially for a security fix. To me it's purely a question of breaking expectations you've built yourself (I don't mean entitlement, I mean expectations). Now, it's indeed not the end of the world, and: > you have no one t…

> To me it's purely a question of breaking expectations you've built yourself (I don't mean entitlement, I mean expectations). Let me stop you right there. MiniIO never promised to provide docker images for free forever, have they? So where does this "expectation" come from? If thou are pained by any external thing, it is not the thing that disturbs thee, but thine own judgment about it. And it is in thy power to wip…

I hope you do realize that most of your knowledge on how (y)our world works is, for a big part, based on implicit expectations that you or others infer from past observations.

> ...It's you who has built the expectation, not MiniIO, for it exists only in your mind.

The MinIO team understands very well that they have made everybody "build this expectation [each] in [our] mind[s]". They wouldn't have felt the need to write any announcement that they would stop distributing the binaries otherwise.

> for free forever

This is an exaggeration that grossly misrepresents what I'm saying, and without which your point becomes very weak.

You have two choices here:

(a) acknowledging how your fellow human beings build expectations and, harmed with this critical insight, leave in peace, or

(b) sticking your head in the sand.

I highly recommend the former, especially if you don't want to look like a Vogon.

I'll go further: if someone has been releasing a binary for each version of their software, without specific announcement, it would be unreasonable not to expect a binary for the next version. There's absolutely no reason to think things will be different and the binary won't be there.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by wlonkly »

jamespo wrote: post #126
jphoward wrote: post #79

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Have you not seen some of the replies at the link? For example: "You are joking ?! The commit about source only is 4 days old (9e49d5e) We are currently paying for a license while using the open source version, you already removed the oidc code from UI console and now docker images. We are not happy by this lock-in. We will discuss this internally, but you may loose a paying customer with this behavior."

Why would a paying customer use the open source version? Deployment in non-prod?

In my experience, you start using the open source version, realize you could benefit from paid support, so you "buy a license" and get your support -- but then you never have a big enough reason to do the lift to the commercial version.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by Kevinmetaba »

smartbit wrote: post #332
williamstein wrote: post #268

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There is a nice table here https://github.com/rustfs/rustfs?tab=readme-ov-file#rustfs-v... comparing RustFS to MinIO, including a claim about the MinIo support price.

Here an S3 compatibility table https://garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr/documentation/reference-manua... comparing - GarageFS - OpenStack Swift - CEPH Object Gateway Rados - Riak CS - OpenIO

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Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by bee_rider »

cyanydeez wrote: post #489
bee_rider wrote: post #400

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I don’t think that’s what they were going for. They said “ I'd be pissed if I had to pay $0.10 every time I turned a rachet” so the person turning the ratchet is the one paying. Who they pay to is unknown.

ok, but the ratchet isn't what's being paid. It's the labor. The ratchet is irrevelent. It's the time it takes. And it's the POV.

It isn’t clear if you are trying to improve the original poster’s analogy, come up with your own, or change something about mine.

But, regardless, my main point was that describing the software in terms of a ratchet is not very helpful because hardware and software are different types of things.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by __bjoernd »

DannyBee wrote: post #87
Hendrikto wrote: post #61

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> When you always published and built Docker images for the public you are creating an expectation That expectation does not entitle anybody to anything though. > people will rely on that and will chose your software based on that expectation That is their decision. Without any contract or promise, there is no obligation to anybody. > You suddenly deciding that you won't be offering updated Docker images […] is appro…

"That expectation does not entitle anybody to anything though." This is true legally, but not otherwise (socially, practically) "That is their decision. Without any contract or promise, there is no obligation to anybody." Again, true legally, but IMHO a really silly position to take overall. Imagine I provide free electricity to everyone in my town. I encourage everyone to use it. I do it all for free. I'm very caref…

Sticking with your analogy -- your townsfolk getting energy for free. As rational people they must include the possibility of free service being over at any time in their planning and act accordingly. Otherwise they're just freeloading.
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