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Re: Sora 2

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Post by winkelmann »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

I think a dedicated "TikTok but AI" is infinitely better than AI videos polluting other platforms. Of course, in practice, the latter is already the case, rendering the theoretical benefits of the former kind of moot.

Nonetheless, a platform for AI videos with an audience looking for them, rather than the horrible "boomer-slop" that is prevalent on other social media, is welcome in my eyes.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by aidenn0 »

Rudybega wrote: post #428
r_lee wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get the autotune argument. It's like saying we shouldn't be using electronic instruments because it's not real or we shouldn't use digital audio instruments because they're not real etc. It's just a way to get different kind of sound. It won't make you good tracks.

I think AI is starting to verge on making actual good music. The latest Suno release is wild. An example here: https://v.redd.it/fqlqrgumo5rf1 I find this one interesting because Rap has classically been difficult for these models (I think because it's technically difficult to find the right rhythms and flow for a given set of lyrics).

I wonder what the prompt was for that.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by gregorvand »

the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

I agree that is probably part of the direction.

The other is possibly there’s no point in a thousand users all turning up to a blank prompt box and using a lot of resources to generate the same thing, or things they are not impressed by. A lot of users will ‘get what they came for’ initially just by seeing a bunch of good examples. Discussions around them will help them produce better outputs faster. Etc

Re: Sora 2

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Post by Jordan-117 »

neilv wrote: post #327

> And we're introducing Cameo, giving you the power to step into any world or scene, and letting your friends cast you in theirs. How much are they (and providers of similar tools) going to be able to keep anyone from putting anyone else in a video, shown doing and saying whatever the tool user wants? Will some only protect politicians and celebrities? Will the less-famous/less-powerful of us be harassed, defamed, ex…

Looks like it requires you to film yourself from specific angles and while repeating an autogenerated phrase. Like a pre-AI selfie taken with a handwritten placard with your username and the date or whatever.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by zetazzed »

the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Is it easy to record a voiceover or add chosen audio? (Sorry I don't have an invite code so I can't try.) I could see some room for human jokes or short human-driven songs that could use a video backdrop.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by komali2 »

morleytj wrote: post #540
stingraycharles wrote: post #508

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Honestly if I learned anything over the past few decades it’s that I’m typically wrong about these kind of predictions, and society as a whole uses social media in a way that I just don’t comprehend. I would have never guessed a social media app whose biggest feature is “it disappears within 24h!” (even though you can easily screenshot everything) would become as big as it became. Also, remember that it’s not about b…

Certainly, and that is the more pessimistic view that I have, that this is being developed with a view to introduce product sponsorships and advertisements. I mainly am curious if anyone has the view that there is broader benefit to the development of this, after all, wasn't that the entire mission statement of OpenAI? Quoting from their announcement on their site: > OpenAI is a non-profit artificial intelligence res…

Aren't they trying to go for-profit and escape that albatross around their neck of "must feasibly be doing social good?"

Re: Sora 2

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Post by raincole »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be.

(personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death. Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is more meaningful than scrolling TikTok. The crisis part is that I can't justify this belief with words.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by afavour »

groggo wrote: post #504
morleytj wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

It's pretty entertaining. People always like telling stories. Books, comic strips, movies, they're all just telling a story with a different amount of it left up to the viewer's imagination. Lowering the barrier to entry for this type of stuff is so cool. I think you have to be pretty pessimistic to not just think it's really cool. You can find issues with it for sure, and maybe argue that those issues outweigh the b…

I think it’s really cool… and I’m still concerned about the long term implications of it. We’ve already seen a lot of TV get worse and worse (e.g. more reality tv) in a quest to reduce costs. It’s not difficult to imagine a reality where talented people can’t make great content because it’s cheaper to thump out bargain basement AI slop.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by echelon »

motoxpro wrote: post #456
echelon wrote: post #339

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I posit this is the real story. OpenAI did not stealthily release Sora 2 to the image and video ELO ranking leaderboards ahead of time as is now somewhat tradition. This model is probably designed to run fast and cheap as a social play. Emphasis on putting you and your friends into popular franchises and IPs. OpenAI probably has a totally different model for their Hollywood-grade VFX. One that's too expensive to offe…

People in this thread saying that this is the kind of content kids like should go on tiktok for a sec. This is not at all what young people watch, it's just bad content, and misunderstanding that feels out of touch.

I'm an adult. I personally found some of it funny and entertaining.

I like appointment television too. Sometimes A24 isn't pretentious enough for me. But I'm not beyond saying that there's absolutely a time and place for saccharine.

This content will grab eyeballs. I'll bet money on that.

It doesn't really matter what you or I think anyway. OpenAI is delivering a stream of hits and will continue growing while we debate on the sidelines.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by 3abiton »

the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

I wonder how would this pan out compared to civitai for example. It has a very similar features albeit for mainly OSS models.
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