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Oh, come on. Laptops are mobile devices that live in bags and backpacks and they break all the time. I've had more laptop failures than cracked phones, even. You absolutely need an answer for "what happens if my screen gets cracked", just ask any college student. Windows junk is cheaper, it just is. In pre-college education, the answer is often "use any other junky Chromebook from anywhere in the world", which is che…

Maybe you need a better backpack? I’ve had zero cracked screens. I’ve also never cracked my phone screen, though, so there’s that. I did drop my watch last week, and the second hand fell off, though.

The very existence of the Genius Bar falsifies your point, though. The fact that you, personally, are exceedingly careful about your devices isn't an argument against the clear truth that (1) the rest of us yahoos clearly aren't and (2) macs are expensive to repair.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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That's not what was being talked about. Moore's law was never about single threaded performance, it was about transistor count and transistor cost, but people misunderstood it when single threaded performance was increasing exponentially.

GP mentions cores and the article is about benchmarks. The relationship between transistor count, core count, and performance, is exactly on topic.

Single core performance and transistor count are not the same thing and have been disconnected for two decades.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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If your $1000 MacBook breaks after a year you need $1000 to repair it. A 500 laptop is probably more repairable and worst case you pay $500 to get a new one. Not to mention battery replacement etc. The expected total cost of ownership is very high for a Mac. It’s like owning a Mercedes. Maybe you can afford to buy one, but you cannot afford maintenance.

As a sibling comment said, what maintenance? The only problem I’ve ever had with any Mac was a bad keyboard on my M4 MBP, and that showed itself so quickly that even without AppleCare it would have been covered. Between work and personal, I’ve had an Intel Air, 2x Intel Pros, M1 Air, 2x M3 Pros, and an M4 Pro. My wife has an M1 Air. My in-laws have an M3 iMac. My mom has… some version of an Apple Silicon laptop. That…

My shift button popped off my M1 MacBook. Apple judged it was my fault. Guess the repair price. Yes almost full laptop price.

If that had happened to any other laptop I would be able either replace just the broken keycap, or just the keyboard.

And no, apple care+ that covers accidents is not cheap either at $150/year.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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There have been lots of complaints all over the place that contradict your experience. One article that talks about it: https://osxdaily.com/2025/09/19/why-im-holding-off-on-upgrad... For less discerning users maybe the rough edges aren't that noticeable. But the point of choosing Apple products is you should be a discerning consumer.

This a pretty insulting comment. I’m sure ther is better word then discerning.

Thank you

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Damn impressive if true, but I’ll be honest, I still don’t feel the need to replace my M1 iPad Pro or my M1 Pro Macbook Pro. They’re both more than amazing for my use cases - though if Apple suddenly took gaming seriously, like extending Rosetta to act as a translation layer for Windows games a la Proton, I’d gladly throw down for an M5 Ultra when it’s released.

> if Apple suddenly took gaming seriously, like extending Rosetta to act as a translation layer for Windows games a la Proton Apple already provides the translation layer to convert from DirectX 11 or 12 to Metal that Wine uses on Macs. https://wccftech.com/apple-game-porting-toolkit-2-supports-a... Proton does the exact same thing, only it translates DirectX into the Graphics API that Wine on Linux uses. The new thi…

> Apple already provides the translation layer to convert from DirectX 11 or 12 to Metal that Wine uses on Macs.

To registered developers, with no upstream or downstream support whatsoever.

> Proton does the exact same thing

For everyone, with upstream and downstream vendoring.

It's quite exciting to have two competing standards like this, it really makes you wonder which one developers will side with.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Almost certain it is just a 16in M3 Pro, but mistyped.

that's some serious mistyping from 17 feet to 16 inches

More like a " mistyped as ' (same button in english kb layout, minus the shift button combo), and 6 mistyped as 7 (button right next to it).

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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There are a number of interesting creative apps for iPad that can make full use of its capabilities. A good example is Nomad Sculpt. There's also CAD software, many DAWs. I haven't tested Numbers yet but I would assume its fairly well optimized. This really reminds me of the 80/20 articles that made the frontpage yesterday. Just because a lot of HN users lament the fact that their 20% needs (can't run an LLM or compi…

Yes but there is simply no reason to have two devices. There are a large number of Windows tablet-laptop combo machines that work perfectly well and prove touch apps work perfectly well on a desktop OS. Yeah, that took a long time for MS to get to not suck after Windows 8, but touch and tablet interactions on Windows 10 and Windows 11 work perfectly well.

Having owned at least 3 such devices, I have to disagree. It "works", but desktop apps expect desktop interactions, and touchscreen functionality feels cobbled together at best. There are a handful of apps developed specifically for touchscreen PCs that work well, everything else is a toss-up. On the other hand, apps developed for a tablet OS support touch as a first class interaction, and have OS support for hardware keyboard and (usually) mouse input if you so choose. Not to mention that the vast majority of combo machines I have used are too heavy to use as a tablet for any reasonable amount of time, or have an incredibly clunky transition method. I have yet to see a platform where touch and mouse can both coexist as first-class input methods. Even the cognitive load of transitioning is an irritation.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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There are a number of interesting creative apps for iPad that can make full use of its capabilities. A good example is Nomad Sculpt. There's also CAD software, many DAWs. I haven't tested Numbers yet but I would assume its fairly well optimized. This really reminds me of the 80/20 articles that made the frontpage yesterday. Just because a lot of HN users lament the fact that their 20% needs (can't run an LLM or compi…

> There's also CAD software, many DAWs. Assertions like this are what kill the iPad. Yes, DAWs "exist" but can only load the shitty AUs that Apple supports on the App Store. Professional plugins like Spectrasonics or U-He won't run on the iPad, only the Mac. CAD software "runs" but only supports the most basic parametric modeling. You're going to get your Macbook or Wintel machine to run your engineering workloads if…

I think the fundamental barrier is that I have yet to see a system where mouse and touch can coexist as first-class input methods. Either your UI is optimized for touch with large input buttons and heavy reliance on gestures, or mouse with small input buttons that require precision to interact with and keyboard shortcuts for efficiency. The cognitive, not to mention physical burden of transitioning between a pointing device and a touchscreen means that users will favor one over the other. And if your UI has to target both audiences, then you're going to have to figure out how to seamlessly transition your UI or provide 2 parallel workflows, and at that point you might as well just segment your product.

It's easy to blame "Apple greedy" but optimizing either device to support an alternate input method degrades both. Apple is (supposed to be) all about a "polished" experience so this doesn't mesh with their design ethos. Any time I have seen a desktop environment get optimized for touch, people complain about it degrading the desktop experience. MacOS isn't even there yet and people are already complaining.

There are plenty of good AUs on the App Store (to name a few: DM10, Sonobus, the recent AudioKit modeled synths), but yes the selection of AUs on desktop is far greater. Most AU developers aren't going to pay the developer fee and go through the effort of developing, again, an entirely separate user interface, not to mention go through the app store approval process, to target a smaller market. It's a matter of familiarity. Just because your workflow depends on products that don't exist on iPad, doesn't mean that someone else's workflow isn't entirely productive without it. The entire industry is built on path dependence, so it's no wonder that software that has codebases that span decades and depend on backwards compatibility, i.e. the music production and CAD software, are not finding a lot of competition in the mobile space. Apple isn't designing their next unibody Mac chassis on the iPad, but that doesn't mean that a small business that makes 3D printed widgets isn't going to be happy using Onshape.

To be clear: I don't think an iPad is a _substitute_ for a desktop machine in most professional workflows. Partially due to path-dependence, and partially due to the greater information density that a desktop environment affords. But there are some workflows where the iPad feels like a much more _natural_ interface for the task at hand, and then that task can be transferred to the desktop machine for the parts where it isn't.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Try installing Vitals.app open source app to see what's going on: https://github.com/hmarr/vitals Stats is another good one too: https://github.com/exelban/stats

Why not just use Activity Monitor

Vitals.app has a great feature that you don't see in Activity Monitor.
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