Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not the UK, Labour.
Don't pretend the Tories are any better...
they were, once upon a time.
Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#542Serious question: why are people siding with Imgur here, instead of blaming the company that chose to ignore the laws of the country it operates in? Imgur's business model is ad sales and tracking users - that inherently requires collecting and protecting data, including vulnerable groups like children. Even if the UK rules are imperfect or possibly overbroad (I haven't read them), if a company choose to operate wher…
Stupid laws mustn't be followed.
> requires collecting and protecting data
Thanks to OSA, service providers have to collect even more data from users, including face scans and IDs. They usually outsource that process to third party companies, which obviously are registered in Cyprus or another shady country. We can expect a massive leak in a near future, and no one will be prosecuted, though you will receive a letter from the government saying: "We are really sorry for the leak of your data, we weren't able to get in touch with the data processing company, so we kindly ask you to revoke your passport and apply for a new one. Stay vigilant as someone might use your identity for illegal purposes".
> including vulnerable groups like children
The "vulnerable group" is proficient at using VPNs. Ironically, the new law affects older generations the most.
Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#543Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#544Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has been happening for years but if you're in the US you don't realize. For example I can't access my local Montana newspaper web site from the UK "because GDPR" (even though the UK isn't in the EU).
There are several US news websites that are completely blocked in the EU and UK since GDPR came into effect, because it was easier than caring about data collection. Probably many of them adapted since then, because everyone realized GDPR has no teeth and most websites that are not global platforms are not compliant.
The ironic thing is that in the UK/imgur case:
>The ICO also confirmed that companies could not avoid accountability by withdrawing their services in the UK.
Wonder if it could also apply to American news sites (and Japan's 5ch/2channel, I was told they engage in this as well).
Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#545Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you sure? Back in late 90s, 2000s, even 2010s, the internet was truly awesome. Only once governments started to get involved, by increasing the red tape and adding restrictions and whatnot, it became shit. So I would argue that you are completely wrong. Yes, it might have been a bit of a wild west, but that is a good thing because you needed to have some smarts to navigate it and that filtered out the dumb masses…
> So I would argue that you are completely wrong. You could argue that, but it would be idiotic. It would be deeply and deliberately ignorant of e.g. Facebook complicity in ethnic massacres in Myanmar. Cambridge Analytica. Youtube as an engine of algorithmic radicalisation. The continued extremism on what was once Twitter. Online anti-vax disinformation. QAnon. All of Truth Social. You posit it as "people vs governme…
Back then facebook did not exist. Hence, good times. Also, government regulations always come because people start complaining they got scammed or damaged in some way(usually due to their own ignorance), so government comes in and makes things worse for everyone. I am not saying there should be no legal framework for internet, but today it is just way too much and it stagnates progress, freedom of speech and overall usability of the whole thing itself.
Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#546Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The opinion polls are clear: the normies want this. Giving normies the vote was a mistake.
Allowing the media to be controlled by government interests, which the normies follow blindly as thinking is hard, was the bigger mistake. Opinion polls are bullshit and just an indicator of propaganda effectiveness.
I left this reply on a sibling thread.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45432347
The often cited YouGov polling, I think sampled a few thousand people. There are almost 2.5 million signatures on petitions between the OSA and Digital ID.
Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#547There's an opportunity for a service like CloudFlare here give people a simple toggle that manages geoblocks on legal liability factors. It's way too much for every organisation to individually track every country's laws day by day in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. And it sounds like the UK would have just self-selected out of the list of "safe" countries. If something like this was in wid…
Or, just ban children from the internet, same as gun ownership for 12yo's. Fine/imprison parents. This is a parenting problem, not a technical/business problem. Remove the supply of children and things will get better. A business cannot make laws or override laws with ToS and invent their own moral compasses - rather it is the sole responsibility of the parent on what their child gets exposed to (whether politics, po…
I completely agree with your argument.
Some parents are awful at parenting, so much so it makes me question why they had kids if they clearly don't care about bringing them up properly.
It's a no brainer that kids should have minimal screen exposure. There's even organisations which specifically state the most ideal screen time (basically none up to 18 months, 1 hour max up to 5 years old). iPad children will be a detriment to the future of any country.
The screen time is bad enough, without the sloppy content you can very easily find online. The best ways to destroy a kid are to saddle them with social media, media consumption and porn/gambling/vices at an early age. Their brain is being fried during development.
Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#548Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you sure? Back in late 90s, 2000s, even 2010s, the internet was truly awesome. Only once governments started to get involved, by increasing the red tape and adding restrictions and whatnot, it became shit. So I would argue that you are completely wrong. Yes, it might have been a bit of a wild west, but that is a good thing because you needed to have some smarts to navigate it and that filtered out the dumb masses…
> So I would argue that you are completely wrong. You could argue that, but it would be idiotic. It would be deeply and deliberately ignorant of e.g. Facebook complicity in ethnic massacres in Myanmar. Cambridge Analytica. Youtube as an engine of algorithmic radicalisation. The continued extremism on what was once Twitter. Online anti-vax disinformation. QAnon. All of Truth Social. You posit it as "people vs governme…
By the way, "back then", when there was no or little regulation, online businesses had to build trust by being reliable and deliver on their promises. That is why paypal could have even taken off as a business. Nowadays, with regulations, we are supposed to trust every company because it is regulated or might have some kind of legal danger for not providing services and whatnot, yet that is not the case in reality.
So again, i argue that internet before facebook, instagram, tinder... was in its golden age mostly due to lack of government involvement and too many people being online.
Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#549Lots of the top comments talking about how Imgur can stay out of the UK more easily and not about how Imgur can comply with the law and protect children's data. Why is it always that regulation is the problem, not the company being irresponsible with data.
What do you mean by "children's data"? What data? Suppose I'm 11, I'm not registered at Imgur, and I'm only browsing, what sort of vulnerable data they have to protect? Browser's user agent, IP address, screen resolution? Even if I'm registered, it's rather unlikely I will provide all my real details.
The "children's safety" argument is for voters who are technologically illiterate and don't have a tiniest idea how the internet works.
Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#550Serious question: why are people siding with Imgur here, instead of blaming the company that chose to ignore the laws of the country it operates in? Imgur's business model is ad sales and tracking users - that inherently requires collecting and protecting data, including vulnerable groups like children. Even if the UK rules are imperfect or possibly overbroad (I haven't read them), if a company choose to operate wher…
>> Serious question: why are people siding with Imgur here, instead of blaming the company that chose to ignore the laws of the country it operates in?
Because if we've learnt anything from the debate around the Online Safety Act, it's that the majority of people are so unbelievably addicted to porn they feel like it's a human rights violation to put up barriers to their access to it. While there are obvious privacy arguments against sharing your ID to access these sites the alternative is just not viewing porn. It's remarkable how unfathomable that idea is to entire generations of people.