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Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

kypro wrote: post #523
paxys wrote: post #509

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Inability to work is going to be a far bigger deterrance to illegal immigration than any kind of border control you can put up. Regardless of all the propaganda immigrants aren't coming into the country in droves to bum around, commit crimes and get free services from the government. They want to be able to work and live a normal life. If you deny them that, they will look elsewhere.

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Maybe your idea of afghani culture isn’t exactly representative. Also likely that the immigrants’ culture would differ from that of their native country.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by Muromec »

gretch wrote: post #480
v3xro wrote: post #473

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> living at taxpayers' expense Presumably the form for applying for benefits has a reasonably high bar for identifying the fact that you are in fact legally present in the country? Or how else do you imagine people living at "taxpayer's expense"? Just begging on the streets?

If they have a medical incident and go to a hospital emergency room, are they treated?

That's the abuse of my tax money I can allow according to my beliefs, religious or otherwise.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by parthdesai »

randerson wrote: post #466

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> The other complaint I often see is immigrants' failure to assimilate to British norms, language, and culture.

I do get your point, as an Indian who migrated to Canada, it’s one of my pet peeves where some of my relatives live in their enclave only, i.e. surround themselves with like minded Indians, but this is pretty ironic when it is coming from Brits.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by squidbeak »

qazwsxedchac wrote: post #459
aftergibson wrote: post #189

A secure, optional digital ID could be useful. But not in today’s UK. Why? Because the state has already shown it can’t be trusted with our data. - Snoopers’ Charter (Investigatory Powers Act 2016): ISPs must keep a year’s worth of records of which websites you visit. More than 40 agencies—from MI5 to the Welsh Ambulance Service—can request it. MI5 has already broken the rules and kept data it shouldn’t have. - Encry…

The ID cards as realized in many other countries are comparatively benign, because they are a physical credential in the possession of the person concerned. The government cannot stop this credential from being used except by physically confiscating it or by waiting (years) for it to expire. Distributed storage in action. The UK's proposal makes the "digital ID" a pointer to an entry in a centralized database. This d…

No the proposal is in line with your first paragraph. 'Attribute level proofs' (cyptographically signed data) stored in the user wallet, with those signatures coming from verification companies polling an API in front of government departments. The other side of it is a trust registry holding verification service public keys for signature checks..

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Post by throwaway150 »

gretch wrote: post #480
v3xro wrote: post #473

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> living at taxpayers' expense Presumably the form for applying for benefits has a reasonably high bar for identifying the fact that you are in fact legally present in the country? Or how else do you imagine people living at "taxpayer's expense"? Just begging on the streets?

If they have a medical incident and go to a hospital emergency room, are they treated?

Do you know how much money the immigrants pay as taxes, health surcharge and National Insurance contributions in exchange for the right to live and work in the UK? Don't forget that the taxes, health surcharge and NI contributions of the immigrations are literally funding the NHS! I think it is fair to expect the contributors to get treatment when they are contributing so much to it.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by hereme888 »

jama211 wrote: post #479
array_key_first wrote: post #450

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All it takes is one breach or vulnerability and then yes, they DO have access to all your data. Imagine someone steals your driver's license. No biggie. Now imagine they steal your identity which is linked to everything you ever do.

But that’s already the case without a digital id. It’s not like those accounts aren’t already linked together.

Breach = data for all citizens.

Card = one person, limited use.

But most importantly: a Hitler rises to power = opposition is screwed.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by squidbeak »

philipallstar wrote: post #505
qazwsxedchac wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ID cards as realized in many other countries are comparatively benign, because they are a physical credential in the possession of the person concerned. The government cannot stop this credential from being used except by physically confiscating it or by waiting (years) for it to expire. Distributed storage in action. The UK's proposal makes the "digital ID" a pointer to an entry in a centralized database. This d…

I'm against the ID, but the more good faith reason for a database entry is it should eliminate fake IDs.

The op is incorrect. The 'database entry' is the one that exists right now at the DVLA for driving licenses or HMPO for passports. Private sector verification services poll that data to verify the data entered by the user in onboarding. That's it.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by EasyMark »

Next comes sensors in said cards, if someone walks by an digital observation post without the card on them they will now be tagged by visual recognition and documented as illegal/possibly illegal until proven otherwise. Expect the database to record it and start drawing up statistics on said undocument individual. The undocumented police will be notified and be on alert to apprehend at first opportunity. Coming to you in 2030.

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Post by tripplyons »

v3xro wrote: post #473
randerson wrote: post #466

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> living at taxpayers' expense Presumably the form for applying for benefits has a reasonably high bar for identifying the fact that you are in fact legally present in the country? Or how else do you imagine people living at "taxpayer's expense"? Just begging on the streets?

The streets themselves are maintained at the expense of taxpayers, regardless of who is begging on them.

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Post by EasyMark »

NicuCalcea wrote: post #442
a022311 wrote: post #402

The same thing is happening in Greece. The new mandatory digital ID replaces and unifies everything about citizens in one place, "to make it easier for government services to share information between each other". It can indeed be useful, but the privacy implications are enormous. Just imagine that a policeman, employer or anybody else with access to the information linked to the ID can instantly view our medical rec…

> Just imagine that a policeman, employer or anybody else with access to the information linked to the ID can instantly view our medical records, tax status and even simpler things like if we've ever been caught driving while drunk Why would I imagine that? There are privacy implications, but a unique ID doesn't mean everyone has access to all your data at any time for any reason.

But that's -likely- what it means in the near future, along with 24/7 tracking via observation posts along streets and highways. I wonder when people will start realizing a smaller government is a better government and vote accordingly. When things make a task "easier for the government" your ears should prick up and you should start paying attention. Today's "more efficient democracy" makes for tomorrow's "more efficient autocracy" when everything is already in place
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