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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by wahnfrieden »

_heimdall wrote: post #533
array_key_first wrote: post #522

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> Those examples have nothing to do with your specific political views. Yes they do - as I've said, you can't invoke politics as a shield. You can be fired for your beliefs. Politics are a belief. So you can be fired for politics. If you're trying to say that you can just be an asshole in private - sure. If you share your political beliefs, it's no longer private. Most companies don't want to hire people they think a…

Okay, I'll try to take this from the top. > Yes they do - as I've said, you can't invoke politics as a shield. That isn't the issue at hand. You are describing using ones political views against them simply for them holding those views, not someone being an asshole and attempting to justify it as a political act. > Most companies don't want to hire people they think are assholes. Sure, though they would base that on…

Their politics were expressed as behaviors: proclaiming "I'm a nazi" publicly, taking over leadership of GNAA from Stormfront's administrator, etc. These were not private beliefs that were uncovered through surveying. There was no survey.

Or by behavior do you mean that public support of terrorism isn't grounds for an employer to avoid hiring or termination? That the standard for that would be actual terrorist acts?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by noman-land »

pier25 wrote: post #5

Great move. Will probably switch to it immediately from Sendgrid as soon as it goes GA. Sendgrid recently killed their free tier (100 emails per day) and their lowest plan is now $20/month for 50,000 emails. It's totally overkill for low traffic projects.

Cloudflare themselves recommed(ed) Resend to send emails with workers. Generous free tier, simple. I didn't get too far down this road but for anyone interested: https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers/tutorials/send-ema...

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by msm_ »

mrkstu wrote: post #514
mc32 wrote: post #489

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Right but ISPs and services like CF should be neutral parties just like the Cisco routers and Corning fiber. They should not be arbiters of what’s currently acceptable. Thats not to say they are not subject to jurisdictional law but rather they should not be their own law imposing their views. Now of course if they want to provide you the user with tools to filter or hide things you disagree with out, by all means.

Yep- your phone or electrical provider don’t monitor your speech for objectionable content and neither should someone like Cloudflare once they achieve ’utility’ like status.

>your phone or electrical provider don’t monitor your speech

not yet.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by inetknght »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #244
inetknght wrote: post #236

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> Being blocked from a web site and having to hit a little box are two different things. Maybe for you. But I don't let random unvetted websites run code on my computer. Checking that box requires it.

So you're blocking yourself? Seems really disingenuous to imply it's someone's fault when you know it's your own.

> So you're blocking yourself?

That's like saying that you're blocking yourself when installing an adblocker.

No, it's for safety and hygiene.

> Seems really disingenuous to imply it's someone's fault

That's because it is. I didn't make the web and I don't work on websites. But I have to deal with it because some fucking dumbasses decided they wanted to save some server cycles by offloading all the hard work onto the client and ruining internet safety in the process, while also offloading the cost of power and performance onto users.

So if disabling javascript is what's needed to keep my safety? So be it. If it breaks some asshats' websites, then they're websites I don't want to use anyway.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by bsder »

observationist wrote: post #516
bsder wrote: post #411

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DDoS via AI bots doesn't have a straightforward solution at the individual level (Anubis-like solutions only neutralize the dumbest of bots). If you have a reference otherwise, I'd love to have it.

Digital bill of rights and enforcing laws already on the books, imposing requirements on ISPs to remove bad actors, and having governments and law enforcement agencies actually do the boring and tedious work of tracking these people down and shutting them down. Disconnecting ISPs from the rest of the internet when they cannot police themselves. Shutting down "VPN" services that harvest and abuse residential IP blocks…

That's wonderful, but the AI bots are costing me money or taking my website down at this moment

I don't need a solution tomorrow; I need a solution today. And Cloudflare is the "today" solution.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by qmr »

mrkstu wrote: post #514
mc32 wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right but ISPs and services like CF should be neutral parties just like the Cisco routers and Corning fiber. They should not be arbiters of what’s currently acceptable. Thats not to say they are not subject to jurisdictional law but rather they should not be their own law imposing their views. Now of course if they want to provide you the user with tools to filter or hide things you disagree with out, by all means.

Yep- your phone or electrical provider don’t monitor your speech for objectionable content and neither should someone like Cloudflare once they achieve ’utility’ like status.

I guess you missed the case of Google and SFPD going after a dad for taking a photo of his son's genitals to share with mom and doctor.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by hobs »

_heimdall wrote: post #539
hobs wrote: post #488

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Not hiring people who wish the majority of your employees death is a super low bar, you should try to make sure you can get over it. "How many people in the office do you view as vile subhumans who should be purged from the world because of how they were born?"

Not hiring people only for personal views they hold is just a weirs bar to set. Judge people by their fit for the role and their actions. Attempting to both uncover and judge a person's beliefs is a losing battle at best.

It is not a weird bar at all when the "personal view" here is being a Nazi. The action of believing in Nazism is actually a disbarring for any role of trust, integrity, or value in our society.

Being a Nazi is not a protected status (yet) and you should expect to be fired immediately if you espoused those views anywhere, at all.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by h33t-l4x0r »

drtgh wrote: post #449
h33t-l4x0r wrote: post #438

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Hmm, I don't know where you get that takeaway. For me, it's an edge cache, so it speeds up the internet. It sits between user and origin, often many hops closer, and serves content cached according to rules set by customer. When you're a CF customer they send you reports on how much bandwidth origin is saving and for me, historically, it's been most of it. And they do all of it for free most of the time! There's not…

Cache of static content, ie. images, css, js or an static html, the CDNs purpose, to shorten location. At moment you serve dynamic content, you are literally redirecting the request through an intermediary server (from Cloudflare/Homologous to the original server and come back, they are acting as a proxy). This results in a slowdown of the internet. In fact, it's easy to tell when a regularly visited site has changed…

I believe you that this is your experience, but this is not the case in general. Cloudflare will generally result in a faster experience for a correctly configured setup. That's kind the whole point of using them.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by wahnfrieden »

hobs wrote: post #547
_heimdall wrote: post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not hiring people only for personal views they hold is just a weirs bar to set. Judge people by their fit for the role and their actions. Attempting to both uncover and judge a person's beliefs is a losing battle at best.

It is not a weird bar at all when the "personal view" here is being a Nazi. The action of believing in Nazism is actually a disbarring for any role of trust, integrity, or value in our society. Being a Nazi is not a protected status (yet) and you should expect to be fired immediately if you espoused those views anywhere, at all.

(Just not when employed at Cloudflare.)

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by kiitos »

godelski wrote: post #536
mschild wrote: post #427

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Part of being a Nazi means the sincere believe that the Aryan race is superior to all others and that eradicating them is a sensible goal. Thats not a political view. Its one of racism and finding genocide acceptable. I would sincerely hope that any sensible person would refuse to hire someone like this.

Be careful with your reasoning. Remember that the current ruling party in America (as well as growing movement in Europe) is using the same rhetoric to go after liberals and trans people. The problem isn't that any sensible person supports genocide, it is that insensible people can get to power and trick normal people into thinking genocide is necessary or not happening at all. They do the former by saying "if we don…

> The problem is who gets to pick who is right and not?

we all do, collectively, as a society

> So yes, to protect those groups being persecuted (trans, minorities, and Jews alike) you need to protect the speech of abhorrent groups like Nazis.

there is actually a categorical difference between advocating the persecution of minorities, and advocating the persecution of nazis. and furthermore it is actually possible and good for a society to say one of these things is bad and should not be allowed, while the other one is good and should be allowed.

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