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Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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But we have to make an effort in the United States. We have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond, or go beyond these rather difficult times. My favorite poem, my -- my favorite poet was Aeschylus. And he once wrote: "Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God." What we need in the Uni…

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Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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This is nuts. I am deeply worried we are headed towards open armed conflict. The violence against political opponents must stop, no matter who it is.

Ruling out nation state actors that have a vested interest in political divide and chaos and distraction is not the best starting point.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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This is nuts. I am deeply worried we are headed towards open armed conflict. The violence against political opponents must stop, no matter who it is.

It may make no difference but as of now we have no idea who did this or why. We still have no idea what was the motive of the man who shot Trump's ear.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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The problem here is that everyone thinks their ideas aren't radical and that sharing them isn't indoctrination. I once left a religion, peacefully, not loudly or trying to tell anyone else how to live their life. People still in the religion thought I was radical and dangerous to the fabric of society. Charlie invited people to have a debate. Whether he was right or wrong at least to me with my lived experiences feels irrelevant, if that's dangerous to society then society is wrong.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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It feels like the two extremes in this country are not partisan, but rather "extremely angry" and "we can't do anything". A very bad combination.

It feels, to me, like "democratic decline".

We see increasing authoritarianism and decreasingly functional institutions, including the electoral system.

Identifying the problem is key.

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