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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by ivanmontillam »

fuzztester wrote: post #526
ivanmontillam wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I try not to drink the Kool-Aid either on Microsoft's side (again, they are not necessarily my cup of tea), but the prevalence of the people with the "Hey! Remember that Steve Ballmer called Linux a cancer? Micro$$$hit!!" attitude sucks my energy dry.

who at microsoft said open source is unamerican https://www.google.com/search?q=who+at+microsoft+said+open+s... one of the results: Weekly news wrapup: Microsoft claims Linux is un-American: https://www.linux.com/news/weekly-news-wrapup-microsoft-clai... from 2001. well, gosh, I feel sorry for those American Linux developers of that time. I guess they were unAmerican, according to Allchin. if they were of this time,…

Well, for starters: Linux is of Finnish origin.

Linus Torvalds might be a U.S. citizen today, but during the first years of Linux he was certainly not thinking U.S. values and that someday his biggest userbase would be there.

> Weekly news wrapup: Microsoft claims Linux is un-American:

Yeah, typical Ballmer-era.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by dathinab »

whimsicalism wrote: post #141
dathinab wrote: post #82

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yes auditors from a security audit

you could barely convince your auditors that using github was okay? well, my opinion of security audits is reaffirmed

we are EU based and have besides other attorney customers.

Cloud Act and more then just one or two cases of the US engaging in industry espionage against their allies(1) makes it a high legal liability to use more or less any service from a US company even if it's in the EU and a EU daughter company

On GitHub we only have some code, which always anyway goes through additional testing and analysis before hitting production, this is why it's barely okay. No code from GitHub directly goes to production.

The only reason we ever where on GitHub is because we didn't always had sensitive customers and switching CI over is always a pain.

So I don't know if imply them being incompetent for allowing GitHub or for wanting to not allow it, but both point have very good reasons.

(1): And I mean cases before Trump, the US (as in top government, not people) was always a highly egoistic, egocentric ally which never hesitated to screw over their allays when it came to economical benefits. The main difference is that in the past the US cared (quite a bit) about upholding a image of "traditional" values like honesty, integrity and reliability. Especially when it would affect their trade routes.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by scarface_74 »

jrepinc wrote: post #414
meindnoch wrote: post #404

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Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

And today they are even complicit in genocide and avid supporters of fascist USA dictator Trump, can hardly get less cool then that

As is half the US who voted for him…

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pjerem »

ivanmontillam wrote: post #511
Arch-TK wrote: post #449

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Microsoft continues to produce absolute garbage (except now it's also adware) and continues to utilise aggressive tactics to gain market share. They deserve plenty of hate.

I can agree anti-consumer behaviour is still ingrained in parts of Microsoft, as a dormant beast waiting to be Ballmer-ized for a new round. But again, why the baseless argument based on hate? You can (for example) de-bloat Windows 11 out from the telemetry and annoying widgets nobody uses, including the invasive Copilot. After de-bloating, it's a decent OS on its own. I should have the right to have a clean Windows…

> You can (for example) de-bloat Windows 11 out from the telemetry and annoying widgets nobody uses, including the invasive Copilot. > After de-bloating, it's a decent OS on its own.

Sure you can. I, as a tech savvy person, can debloat Windows 11. If I dare to do it. If I know I can do it. If I search for information on the internet on how to do it. If I know how to search and follow those instructions. If I follow all the steps (and hope my tutorial covers everything). If Microsoft doesn’t push an update to bloat it again.

And with that, well I still don’t know how to install it without a Microsoft account. It’s so incredibly user hostile that even the insufferable Apple Walled Garden don’t force you into all of this shit.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by betteryourweb »

footlose_3815 wrote: post #287

Sucks they trained on our data and hard work when all we wanted was a place to put our code and have others look at it. Microsoft ruins everything they touch. They will find a way to ruin Github shortly. Anyone posting a step-by-step to do a full migration from Github to another provider would get a lot of traffic to their blog in short time.

You really didn't see that coming at the moment they bought Github? That was their entire intent, to have full access to all of the greatest minds in software... Everyone should have bailed immediately after acquisition... If you don't control the servers that your code is on, it's no longer your code, at the very least, you're sharing with your hosting provider. But, everyone needs to hurry up and jump to market, instead of taking the time to build their own servers, custom development environment, etc. So, because everyone followed the herd, now everyone is lead slaughter... This was a collective choice made out of laziness, convenience, false sense of necessity, greed, etc... We have no to blame but ourselves, because it wouldn't have happen if we didn't choose it...

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by tapoxi »

djhn wrote: post #475
meindnoch wrote: post #465

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At this point it's an open secret that there won't be another Xbox. So yeah, they made something cool, and managed to fumble it.

How come? Any TL;DR? Not a gamer, so I’m not up to date on consoles.

Basically, PS5 sales recently reached 80 million. Xbox Series X/S is estimated about 30 million. They lost the generation where digital libraries were built and can't gain the market back.

There's been a lot of rumor lately that Xbox becomes a shell on top of Windows and just runs regular Windows games. The announcement of the Xbox ROG Ally using this same approach gives it a lot of weight.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by prinny_ »

ivanmontillam wrote: post #511
Arch-TK wrote: post #449

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft continues to produce absolute garbage (except now it's also adware) and continues to utilise aggressive tactics to gain market share. They deserve plenty of hate.

I can agree anti-consumer behaviour is still ingrained in parts of Microsoft, as a dormant beast waiting to be Ballmer-ized for a new round. But again, why the baseless argument based on hate? You can (for example) de-bloat Windows 11 out from the telemetry and annoying widgets nobody uses, including the invasive Copilot. After de-bloating, it's a decent OS on its own. I should have the right to have a clean Windows…

The thought that I would have to go through the trouble of reading some git repo to run a script that will debloat my OS, no matter how easy or straightforward might be, makes me feel tired. I don't want to fight my OS, I want it to work with me. Between searching and learning stuff for my job and searching and learning stuff for my personal development or hobbies, investing time in tinkering windows of all things doesn't exactly feel me with excitement. I would rather switch to Mac or invest time tinkering a linux distribution that actually respects me.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by jhallenworld »

IshKebab wrote: post #67
JohnTHaller wrote: post #3

GitHub will now fall under Microsoft's CoreAI team, which give some indication of GitHub's purpose and direction going forward.

You mean all of Microsoft's direction? Look at how VSCode changelogs have morphed from editing features to 90% AI.

Awesome, this is creating an opportunity for a new text editor. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by yencabulator »

ivanmontillam wrote: post #515
yencabulator wrote: post #502

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You are defending Microsoft. https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/extens... https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/extens... https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-cpptools/wiki/Microsoft-...

I am not . Also, I am not a VSCode user or would-be VSCodium user. I am happily married to JetBrains IDEs. Thanks. I don't need Electron nor WebView2 bloat on my nice, beautiful ThinkPad.

You literally said

> these claims are only true of anything pre-Nadella era (part of 2014 and earlier).

in response to parent's

> - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kill open technologies (ActiveX plugins, Silverlight, C++/CLI, MSJVM, etc.)

and VSCode is a perfect example of that happening right now.

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