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A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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Re: A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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Post by JonChesterfield »

xorcist wrote: post #308
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #126

Wonder what their contracts look like. Are these people gonna be grinding their ass off at the Meta offices working crazy hours? Does Zucc have a strong vision, leadership, and management skills to actually push and enable these people to achieve maximum success? And if so, what does that form of success look like? So far the vision that Zucc has outlined has been rather underwhelming, but maybe the vision which he s…

What I most would like to understand is how you intend to motivate someone you just gave a quarter of a billion dollars to? Especially a young person. They never have to work again, and neither do their grandchildren. You can just doodle away with whatever research interests you the most, there's no need to deliver a god mode AI to the great leader even if you had the ability to.

Plenty of people are motivated by the work, not the money.

Given more money they just subcontract out increasing fractions of the overhead of life in order to do more of the work.

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Post by ornornor »

habosa wrote: post #395

I don’t like this because it inspires my relatives to keep sending me links to these stories and asking why I’m not going to work at Meta and getting my billions. Mark, please do this stuff quietly so I can continue in my quiet mediocrity.

Or you can tell them that zuck is making the world way worse overall and you don’t want to enable that, regardless.

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Post by fooker »

apparent wrote: post #532
ascorbic wrote: post #405

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Because it's MechaHitler?

So should we root for Gemini (which depicted Nazis as Black/Asian/etc.) instead? Or Microsoft (whose prior AI chatbot had Nazi-esque tendencies as well)?

No, we should make sure it’s not a winner-take-all scenario.

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Post by genedan »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #222

So what happens when they achieve AGI? Will a benevolent network of vastly smarter-than-human intelligences insist on maintaining the wealth hierarchies that humans had before AGI arrived? Isn't the point of AGI removing scarcity? I worry that those who became billionaires in the AI boom won't want the relative status of their wealth to become moot once AGI hits. Most likely this will come in the form of artificial b…

My hope is that we can at least get a Civ game with a competent AI...

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Post by fc417fc802 »

latentsea wrote: post #466
ceejayoz wrote: post #305

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People say that sort of thing when it’s a hypothetical. It’s a little different when a quarter billion dollars is actually on offer. Hitmen get what, $5-50k? And that’s for murder.

I mean it's not bad when you think about it in terms of an hourly rate.

I think you're forgetting to factor in the tail risks when calculating the rate. In fact I doubt they still qualify as "tail" under those circumstances. There's a fairly decent chance the retirement plan ends up being facing a firing squad.

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Post by ponector »

croes wrote: post #430
siscia wrote: post #324

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Also, do you have a better way to spend that money?

There are some problems in the world that Meta could help fixing with that money.

250M is not that much to solve a global problem, just take a look at bill gates fund.

Still huge amount of money which can improve life of millions.

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Post by unshavedyak »

beala wrote: post #508
scoreandmore wrote: post #492

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I met a youngster on Boca del Toro island in Panama a decade or so ago. I was about to be fired from my FAANG job so I used up years and years of vacation for one big trip before I was let go. We hung out for a few days while I was there (I don’t recommend the place at all btw). He cashed out from early twitter and was setting up surf schools all of the world. All he did was travel, surf, drink, and fuck. I’m still a…

Setting up an international chain of surf schools actually sounds quite ambitious and stressful, though.

I imagine stress is relative to risk. I’d hope someone who has retirement on lock wouldn’t risk that for a side project.

Though for me the risk of the shops failing and people being out of a job would still stress me heh

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Post by vpShane »

tiagod wrote: post #462
ath3nd wrote: post #450

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Dude, LLMs are a very sophisticated autocomplete with a few tricks down their sleeve. From that to AGI or Zuck's "superintelligence" is just light years... LLMs are a dead end for "intelligence". We are talking about the promises of the same crop of people who brought you full Autopilot on Tesla (still waiting since 2019 when it was supposed to happen), or the Boring Tunnel, the Metaverse, and their latest products a…

Please prove that human brains don't work as a very sophisticated autocomplete.

Let me meditate on that.

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Post by ElevenLathe »

walterbell wrote: post #183
ElevenLathe wrote: post #110

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Yes but countries are run by governments, which are composed of people, who can be bribed. If you believe that AI will make you the richest person in human history, you presumably can see that the problem of government can be solved with enough money.

> the problem of government can be solved with enough money Tokyo Professor and former Beijing Billionaire CEO Jack Ma, may disagree.

You're right that the CCP is a major obstacle to a truly globalized kleptocracy.

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Post by Terr_ »

impossiblefork wrote: post #474
Terr_ wrote: post #292

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> a story Yeah, that framing for LLMs is one of my pet-causes: It's document generation, some documents resemble stories with characters, and everything else (e.g. "chatting" with an LLM) is an illusion, albeit an impressive and sometimes-useful one. Being able to generate a document where humans perceive plausible statements from Santa Claus does not mean Santa Claus now lives inside the electronic box, that flying…

I don't understand your comment. If I phrase it in the terms of your document view I'm trying to say in my comment is that even though the models can generate some documents (computer programs, answers to questions) they are terrible at generating others, such as stories.

I'm underlining that "it's a story, not a conversation" is indeed the direction we need to think in when discussing these systems, where an additional step along that direction is "it's a document which humans can perceive as a story." That's the level on which we need to engage with the problem, asking what features of a document seem wrong to us and why it might have been iteratively constructed that way.

In the opposite direction, people (understandably) fall for the illusion, and start operating under the assumption that they are "talking to" some kind of persistent entity which is capable of having goals, beliefs, or personality traits. Voodoo debugging.

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