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Post by shortrounddev2 »

upquacker wrote: post #528
softwaredoug wrote: post #504

Obviously AI is a massive and important area for economic growth. But so is clean energy. And both right now are at an inflection point. It seems the US is going to thrive with the former but naively stick our heads in the sands with the latter. We’ll cede economic leadership, and wonder in 20 years what happened as other countries lead in energy. Even worse, the administrations stance will encourage US energy compan…

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I believe that we should separate the general case of AI from the particular case of LLMs. AI models have been accelerating science for decades, and new technology helps drive economic growth. I am convinced that LLMs are not worth the money we've invested in them but I do believe that more "traditional" AI is a net positive in research fields. Traditional AI has also had a net negative effect on the quality of content from internet publishers (i.e Facebook), but has made it more productive by allowing them to squeeze more blood from the stone.

I think if you don't include LLMs, AI has obviously created economic growth. If you do include LLMs I think the conversation is more nuanced and obviously driven by the same kind of hype that led people to believe that Cryptocurrency is the future of the stock market

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Post by pizzafeelsright »

softwaredoug wrote: post #504

Obviously AI is a massive and important area for economic growth. But so is clean energy. And both right now are at an inflection point. It seems the US is going to thrive with the former but naively stick our heads in the sands with the latter. We’ll cede economic leadership, and wonder in 20 years what happened as other countries lead in energy. Even worse, the administrations stance will encourage US energy compan…

Whomever has more nuclear power generation will own energy. The cleanest energy is nuclear.

Re: US AI Action Plan

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Post by NewJazz »

andsoitis wrote: post #305
NewJazz wrote: post #224

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Tariffs, regulatory quick sand, political pressure...

Sure anyone can come up with hypothetical threats. What’s your concrete evidence to suggest this will happen?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/22/business/us-tariffs-southeast...

Re: US AI Action Plan

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Post by NewJazz »

LinXitoW wrote: post #401
NewJazz wrote: post #224

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Tariffs, regulatory quick sand, political pressure...

Are those really going to be bigger for renewables than for nuclear power?

Probably in this administration at least tariffs will be more of an obstacle for renewables.

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Post by adestefan »

nsypteras wrote: post #535

"Counter Chinese Influence in International Governance Bodies" and grouping them in with US "adversaries" and "rivals" is quite undiplomatic language to throw in under "Lead in International AI Diplomacy and Security" section. Diplomacy with China should be an important part of this initiative but will inevitably be bungled.

The language lets you get around a bunch of pesky laws by declaring it a "national defense emergency."

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Post by andrewflnr »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #503
dinkumthinkum wrote: post #332

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Empathy is not an emotion. Empathy is essentially the ability to experience the thoughts and feelings of other minds.

The fact that empathy is not an emotion does not at all change what I'm saying. If you don't experience emotions, then you cannot experience empathy either

Let me quote your previous comment:

> An intelligence without emotions would be a psychopath. Empathy is an emotion

"Empathy is an emotion" was, in fact, an essential part of your syllogism.

Regardless, we're potentially talking about something sufficiently inhuman that the term "psychopath" can no longer apply. If there was an ant colony that was somehow smart enough build and operate machinery or whatever and casually bulldozed people and their homes, would you call it a "psychopath", or just skip that and call it "terrifying"?

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Post by DonHopkins »

landl0rd wrote: post #226
Spivak wrote: post #105

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Most frontier LLMs skew somewhere on the libleft quadrant of the political compass. This includes grok 4 btw. This is probably because American "respectable" media has a consistent bias in this direction. I don't really care about this with media. But media outlets are not "gatekeepers" to the extent that LLMs are, so this is probably a bad thing with them. We should either have a range of models that are biased in d…

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Re: US AI Action Plan

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Post by saalweachter »

ancillary wrote: post #525
glitchc wrote: post #478

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Even though I think solar is impractical as a primary source for various reasons, it doesn't take a lot. David MacKay in "Sustainable Energy: Without the Hot Air" did a calculation circa 2010. To fulfill the world's energy needs back then, a 10 km^2 area in the Sahara desert would be sufficient. Even if you scaled that to 100 km^2, it's absolutely tiny on a global scale, and panels have only become more efficient sin…

I was curious about this number, so: 10 km^2 is 10mil square meters, Googling suggests that the theoretical maximum energy captured by a square meter of solar panel is well under 0.5 kW, so well under 12 kWh per day. Say 10 kWh for neatness. Then multiplying by 10mil gives 100mil kWh. More Googling suggests that 10 TWh is a comfortable lower bound for daily world energy usage, but 100mil kWh is 0.1 TWh. So maybe 1000…

I'm guessing it was supposed to be (10 km)^2, not 10 km^2.

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

andxor wrote: post #295
antonvs wrote: post #242

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> homosexuality is objectively morally wrong Just want to point out that the current Treasury Secretary (Scott Bessent) is a gay man.

And so is Thiel, and he is funding so much of this. Them being hypocrites is pretty part for the course.

Re: US AI Action Plan

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Post by andrewflnr »

coliveira wrote: post #290
andrewflnr wrote: post #286

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As I said to the other reply: Why would problem solving ability entail emotions or ability to suffer, even if it had the ability to ask for things it wanted? It's a common mistake to assume those are inextricable.

If it doesn't have emotions, that's even worse. No highly intelligent agent will do anything it is asked to do without being compensated in some way.

You're still confusing "highly intelligent" with "human-like". This is extremely dangerous.
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