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Post by dlubarov »

g8oz wrote: post #538
trustinmenowpls wrote: post #537

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The narrative that there is a genocide in gaza has lost all credibility. The gazan population has grown since the war started, its completely ludicrous to claim a genocide while the population is literally growing. People have been making claims of genocide since Israel took over in '67, it never made any sense then and it makes even less sense today. People who make such claims should be seen for what they are: char…

You are replying to the alleged false narrative with a rather thin Zionist talking point of your own. The legal definition of genocide does not require total population numbers to go down. The deliberate systemic slaughter and use of starvation are enough on their own.

GHF has ramped up to distributing about 3 million meals per day now. Reportedly 58 Gazans have starved during the conflict [1], implying an FMR of something like 0.0005. Any starvation is awful, but it's nothing compared to global averages. There are actual famines (with FMR over 2) in other parts of the world, but few people seem interested in those.

There's certainly more work to be done to fix food insecurity in Gaza, but aid distribution challenges are hardly evidence of genocidal intent.

[1] https://imemc.org/article/child-dies-of-malnutrition-amid-wo...

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by grafmax »

trustinmenowpls wrote: post #537
grafmax wrote: post #533

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Israel government justified its genocide of Gaza with its supposedly targeted strikes of Hamas. This narrative has lost all credibility. And we have seen with Gaza what effect “PR” has on stopping the atrocities committed there - none. The Israeli government views non combatants affected as expendable targets with zero value. This is what we are seeing with the strikes on residential areas. It’s not that they are “fl…

The narrative that there is a genocide in gaza has lost all credibility. The gazan population has grown since the war started, its completely ludicrous to claim a genocide while the population is literally growing. People have been making claims of genocide since Israel took over in '67, it never made any sense then and it makes even less sense today. People who make such claims should be seen for what they are: char…

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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by grafmax »

dlubarov wrote: post #541
g8oz wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are replying to the alleged false narrative with a rather thin Zionist talking point of your own. The legal definition of genocide does not require total population numbers to go down. The deliberate systemic slaughter and use of starvation are enough on their own.

GHF has ramped up to distributing about 3 million meals per day now. Reportedly 58 Gazans have starved during the conflict [1], implying an FMR of something like 0.0005. Any starvation is awful, but it's nothing compared to global averages. There are actual famines (with FMR over 2) in other parts of the world, but few people seem interested in those. There's certainly more work to be done to fix food insecurity in G…

The aid distribution “challenges” are because Israel is blocking all aid except that which comes from the GHF itself. Israel has created the conditions for starvation by destroying agriculture and blocking all aid except for four GHF aid stations. The GHF aid stations weaponize starvation by concentrating Gazans near the Egyptian border and providing a token nod to humanitarian concerns (Israel’s policy throughout this genocide) - never mind the regular shootings that take place at these stations. Prior to October 2023 there were 400 aid stations in Gaza requiring 500 truckloads of aid [1]. Today there are four GHF stations run by military contractors.

The insufficiency of these aid points is also evidenced by the people dying of starvation in this hell hole. Low numbers of people dying from starvation indicates its early stages. It takes a while for people to starve to death. Typically a population suffers malnutrition for some period before the death toll rapidly balloons. The famine deaths, far from pointing to the absence of famine, indicate we are in the early stages of mass starvation brought on by Israel’s policy.

Do not forget that the Israel government created this famine and is blocking all aid except for the aid to can weaponize. And starvation is just one of the many weapons it is using to ethnically cleanse Gaza.

[1] https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2025-06/gaza-humanitarian-found...

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by grafmax »

bawolff wrote: post #540
grafmax wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel government justified its genocide of Gaza with its supposedly targeted strikes of Hamas. This narrative has lost all credibility. And we have seen with Gaza what effect “PR” has on stopping the atrocities committed there - none. The Israeli government views non combatants affected as expendable targets with zero value. This is what we are seeing with the strikes on residential areas. It’s not that they are “fl…

> This is what we are seeing with the strikes on residential areas. It’s not that they are “flattening” Tehran in the initial stages of war, but that Israel military policy so disregards the lives of non combatants that attacks on residential areas are justified in its view. The death toll in Iran is not really consistent with that. (At least based on what has been reported so far. Admittedly there is much uncertaint…

The death toll reflects the early stages of war not the choice of targets. And we know that the targets include residential areas.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by dlubarov »

grafmax wrote: post #543
dlubarov wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GHF has ramped up to distributing about 3 million meals per day now. Reportedly 58 Gazans have starved during the conflict [1], implying an FMR of something like 0.0005. Any starvation is awful, but it's nothing compared to global averages. There are actual famines (with FMR over 2) in other parts of the world, but few people seem interested in those. There's certainly more work to be done to fix food insecurity in G…

The aid distribution “challenges” are because Israel is blocking all aid except that which comes from the GHF itself. Israel has created the conditions for starvation by destroying agriculture and blocking all aid except for four GHF aid stations. The GHF aid stations weaponize starvation by concentrating Gazans near the Egyptian border and providing a token nod to humanitarian concerns (Israel’s policy throughout th…

It's not a perfect solution, but at least GHF is distributing aid directly to civilians who receive it for free, unlike the old system.

> Prior to October 2023 there were 400 aid stations in Gaza requiring 500 truckloads of aid

Why are you focused on these particular metrics? Meals or calories distributed per day seems more relevant.

> Typically a population suffers malnutrition for some period before the death toll rapidly balloons.

For how long of a period? It was 32 starvations as of 04/01/2024, and another 26 since then. Nothing in the data seems to suggest an impending spike.

> the Israel government created this famine

There is food insecurity, not a famine. FMR would need to increase by something like 4,000x to meet part of the definition of a famine.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by DougN7 »

akudha wrote: post #451
scrubs wrote: post #378

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The best lies are corporate lies. And those lies are said plainly, calmly, and with a sense not of conviction but rather it it's not a serious claim because it was always a true statement ... just repeating it now. They are also uttered on TV, in public talks and to a far lesser extent in court. Court is a formal process. Outside it's not. There's a big difference.

“Discounts upto 50%” - shopper finds out one product (that nobody wants) out of 1000 has a discount of 50%, everything else has like 5%. But the statement itself is technically not a lie, they did say “upto”, lol. That is how corporate speak works

There is some dish detergent that advertises it cleans dishes up to 100% clean. I guess they figure showing “100%” is all that is needed and the dumb public won’t question it further. It’s still an insulting ad.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by tdeck »

grafmax wrote: post #543
dlubarov wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GHF has ramped up to distributing about 3 million meals per day now. Reportedly 58 Gazans have starved during the conflict [1], implying an FMR of something like 0.0005. Any starvation is awful, but it's nothing compared to global averages. There are actual famines (with FMR over 2) in other parts of the world, but few people seem interested in those. There's certainly more work to be done to fix food insecurity in G…

The aid distribution “challenges” are because Israel is blocking all aid except that which comes from the GHF itself. Israel has created the conditions for starvation by destroying agriculture and blocking all aid except for four GHF aid stations. The GHF aid stations weaponize starvation by concentrating Gazans near the Egyptian border and providing a token nod to humanitarian concerns (Israel’s policy throughout th…

Let's not forget that Israel admitted to funding the gangs in Gaza that are looting aid

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20250607-israel-admi...

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by trustinmenowpls »

grafmax wrote: post #542
trustinmenowpls wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The narrative that there is a genocide in gaza has lost all credibility. The gazan population has grown since the war started, its completely ludicrous to claim a genocide while the population is literally growing. People have been making claims of genocide since Israel took over in '67, it never made any sense then and it makes even less sense today. People who make such claims should be seen for what they are: char…

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Politifact is hardly an impartial source. If I have to explain why, there's no reason to even continue this conversation.

Additionally, bringing in the "50 beheaded babies" story and calling it the most infamous hoax very clearly shows where you get your news from... and it's not trustworthy sources. That was a strawman hoax that only circulated as a debunked hoax on Jew-hating media, it started as a intentional misunderstanding of a reporter's claim. There never was a claim of 50 beheaded babies.

There is no genocide and all your "well supported facts" are either intentionally false statements that aren't facts at all or twisted to support your narrative. The reality is that there has always been more than enough food and water in gaza, war involves death and destruction and doesn't point to genocide which requires both intent and follow through neither of which are present from the Israeli side. Though they are present among anti-zionists and all of Israel's enemies both in their daily rhetoric (from the river to the sea, globalize the intifada, Death to Israel, etc) and in their daily attempts to kill as many jews as possible (missiles and rockets targeting civilian population centers, stabbing attacks, bus bombs, RPGs at school buses, RPGs at homes, shooting civilian cars, etc).

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by grafmax »

trustinmenowpls wrote: post #548
grafmax wrote: post #542

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Politifact is hardly an impartial source. If I have to explain why, there's no reason to even continue this conversation. Additionally, bringing in the "50 beheaded babies" story and calling it the most infamous hoax very clearly shows where you get your news from... and it's not trustworthy sources. That was a strawman hoax that only circulated as a debunked hoax on Jew-hating media, it started as a intentional misu…

The politifact page isn’t a news source. It presents a straightforward argument. It deconstructs the most substantial evidence I could find that the Gazan population is growing amid the genocide and quote population measures - basically some outdated population projection. The argument there is admittedly quite paltry, but so is your claim. Do you actually have any substantial arguments or evidence or do you plan to just impugn the source rather than its reasoning?

As for the notion that a reporter mangled the claim about 50 beheaded babies - that just isn’t true. People from IDF spokespeople to Biden have propagated this lie.

Children are dying of famine in Gaza. Photos, reports, statistics all corroborate this story. Israeli forces have destroyed the agriculture and are starving the helpless population. They have cut off aid. They shoot many of the people who come to the remaining four “aid” stations they operate. A fraction of the deaths that have occurred after October 7 are Israeli. Countless innocent Gazas have been murdered, toddlers sniped, families bombed, drones have played the recordings of crying babies to lure victims out of hiding. Groups in Israel have rioted for the right of Israeli soldiers to rape Palestinians. The atrocities committed against an almost completely defenseless population are horrifying. Now the population is utterly defenseless and the murdering does not cease; the goal seems to be total starvation now.

People turn to condemning the genocide after becoming appalled by the facts not out of anti-semitism. Condemning genocide isn’t anti-Semitic if it happens to be Jews doing it. Numerous Jews condemn the genocide including many holocaust survivors. Genocide is a crime against humanity. All people should unite in condemning it.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by grafmax »

dlubarov wrote: post #545
grafmax wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The aid distribution “challenges” are because Israel is blocking all aid except that which comes from the GHF itself. Israel has created the conditions for starvation by destroying agriculture and blocking all aid except for four GHF aid stations. The GHF aid stations weaponize starvation by concentrating Gazans near the Egyptian border and providing a token nod to humanitarian concerns (Israel’s policy throughout th…

It's not a perfect solution, but at least GHF is distributing aid directly to civilians who receive it for free, unlike the old system. > Prior to October 2023 there were 400 aid stations in Gaza requiring 500 truckloads of aid Why are you focused on these particular metrics? Meals or calories distributed per day seems more relevant. > Typically a population suffers malnutrition for some period before the death toll…

Starvation shows every sign of worsening under this system. Rather than aiming to resolve mass starvation (manufactured by Israel’s policies in the first place), it should be seen for what it is, part of Israel government’s very consistent policy of paying humanitarian lip service and offering token humanitarian gestures while intensifying genocide.

The latest IPC snapshot from May 12 starts that while the entire population is facing acute food insecurity, 470,000 are facing catastrophic levels using the IPC classification. It alerted that under current conditions of military action and blockade a full blown famine under its classification would be occurring now, during the current period (May 11-September) [1].

At the end of May the four GHF stations were opened. However the amount of food supplied could only conceivably feed half of Gaza’s population if distributed equally [2]. Many people are already starving and need much more than 1.5 meals a day; besides, logistically this kind of food distribution is impossible for many reasons not the least of which is the mass destruction of Gaza’s infrastructure by Israel’s military.

As of the IPC report, starvation was worst in northern Gaza and in Rafah (in the south). The GHF aid stations are located in the south; in Rafah the military operations have only worsened food scarcity there.

It is quite telling that people every day attend these stations despite the horrible killings of civilians by the military contractors running them. That in itself shows the degree of starvation the Gaza people are experiencing.

[1] https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipc-country-analysis/details-map/en/...

[2] https://www.ajc.org/news/humanitarian-aid-in-gaza-whats-real...

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