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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by throw0101d » Tue, Jun 10, 2025, 1:01 PM UTC

pwarner wrote: post #487

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what Canada mostly does and it’s super effective, the problem is that the people who employ illegal immigrants: farmers, construction contractors, hotel owners, etc…belong to the same party pushing against illegal immigration, they would basically be punishing themselves, so it isn’t going to happen.

Exactly The aggressive raids aren't in Florida or Texas, or even California farm county, they're targeting urban areas, and getting the intended headlines.

Or Wisconsin:

> President Trump spent much of his campaign vowing "mass deportations" of undocumented immigrants, and the first weeks of his term have been marked by public displays of immigration enforcement. It could pose a blow to multiple parts of the country's food supply chain, including the dairy industry, where more than half of the national workforce is undocumented.

* https://www.cbsnews.com/video/how-undocumented-workers-suppo...

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by typeofhuman » Tue, Jun 10, 2025, 1:05 PM UTC

Ylpertnodi wrote: post #469

Don't forget the Epstein files, whilst all the current events play out.

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by conartist6 » Tue, Jun 10, 2025, 1:05 PM UTC

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #50

This is probably an unpopular opinion but I would like politicians on the left to speak up about the rioting and burning of stuff at the current protests and also the Tesla and George Floyd protests. It doesn’t help the cause if we allow some assholes to destroy stuff. Basically they are giving people like Trump an excuse to deploy force and a lot of people will agree. I can’t see what is achieved by burning cars and…

You would do well to remember that the protesters likely feel it would be accomplishing their political goals to provoke a larger violent confrontation with the police. The best case for the protesters looking to undermine Trump is if they convince the US Marines to open fire and slaughter lots of innocents on live TV. That could make these protests 10x - 100x larger than they are currently. Think Boston Massacre and you'll get the idea.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by sigzero » Tue, Jun 10, 2025, 1:05 PM UTC

lemoncookiechip wrote: post #497

Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

Because this isn't about that. This is about having a perceived enemy that only you can fight. If it wasn't immigrants (legal or illegal), it would be a different group, within or outside of your borders. It's fascism 101.

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by major505 » Tue, Jun 10, 2025, 1:06 PM UTC

Hilift wrote: post #493

California has 25% of the 11 million unauthorized immigrants in the US. Last year, while Biden attempted to promote an immigration bill that did not pass, California made Medicaid available to unauthorized immigrants. 22% of California residents are on Medicaid, requiring $85 billion per year in matching federal assistance. Now the state has a $12 billion deficit projection for 2026. Los Angeles city recently issued…

The problem is that people think that because they have a degree they will not be affect by the illegal imigration crisis.

They think this is a problem only for blue collar workers, that they cannot empathize with.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by major505 » Tue, Jun 10, 2025, 1:07 PM UTC

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #475

Made up and staged need for troops. Check. Hyped antagonism between both sides on purpose. Check. Remember Ghorman

Not everything you dont like is nazism.

Burning the city? Check Incopetent mayor not doing its job? check Incopetent governor watching the caos unfold? Check.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by sigwinch » Tue, Jun 10, 2025, 1:07 PM UTC

4ggr0 wrote: post #337

timewizard wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they inflamed society against that enemy They blamed them for pre-existing social problems. I feel the important context was that the government had to be significantly dysfunctional for the Nazi party to even exist.

Would you describe the US government as functional?

So far, comparisons with routine life in Weimar Germany are a contortion.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by card_zero » Tue, Jun 10, 2025, 1:08 PM UTC

mhh__ wrote: post #492

kmarc wrote: post #222

As a Hungarian, told my friends in November: "the election results, Project 2025, the newly elected president, etc... is the same old story we have already seen with Orban 10+y ago. But don't worry, the US has a much better established democracy, shit can't really go as wrong as in Eastern-Europe" Well, I'm not so sure about that last part anymore.

Who was in charge before Orban? Is there a parallel with biden being a ~ vegetable by the time he left? (not being sarcastic fwiw)

Wikipedia says Gordon Bajnai, an entrepreneur aged about 41 at the time, who was in power for just one year, by choice:

> In his first speech as PM, he promised drastic measures to stop the negative spiral of the Hungarian economy, and to ease the burden of the international crisis. He also stated that he would remain in power until he had the solid majority of Parliament behind his austerity package, but will stay no longer than a year.

> The new cabinet formed on 29 May 2010. Bajnai was succeeded by Viktor Orbán. After that he retired from politics and returned to business life.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by major505 » Tue, Jun 10, 2025, 1:10 PM UTC

daft_pink wrote: post #114

I lived through the BLM protests in a liberal city. They let them destroy everything, then they called in the National Guard to stop looting that already happened. Everyone’s okay with peaceful protests, but they should call in the national guard and prosecute people for violence. You might hate Trump, but in my previous experience, it’s the residents of the most liberal districts that suffer all the consequences of…

You men the poor resisdents, because this people dont plunder and burn the mansions in Beverly Hills, where they hire private security and have gated communities.

They burn the small business of honest working people.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by neither_color » Tue, Jun 10, 2025, 1:10 PM UTC

trilbyglens wrote: post #425

Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

Because the system is designed to allow these people in a gray zone, so they do not have access to the same rights as citizens and therefore can be exploited. The problem is not illegal immigration. It's just a political football. Our economy would fily collapse without this cheap labor to exploit.

The US refuses to admit it has always had an addiction to cheap labor so it entices desperate people to come over with the implicit assumption that if they keep their head down and are otherwise law-abiding it'll "look the other way." Some of them, after years of living on the outskirts of town, commuting 1.5 hours each day to back-breaking minimum wage jobs, and years without seeing their families, are able to scrounge up enough money to pay a lawyer thousands to help them get normalized. Only now they're being spawn-camped at court hearings too.

If the US were more self-aware and honest it would expand existing guest worker programs and create new pathways for temp labor to work without obtaining citizenship the way Singapore and Middle Eastern countries do. They seem cruel but at least each side of the equation knows what it's getting and they can even visit home every year! But Americans' hubristic tendency is to look at a place like Singapore or some other new skyline in the middle east or Asia and declare smugly "borderline slaves built that."