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Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by afroboy »

Flamentono2 wrote: post #479
afroboy wrote: post #422

Can we talk about the elephant in the room, porn and i mean the weird and dangerous one? that moment in history of AI is going to happen and when it did shit will hit the fan.

AI porn already exist. Im pretty sure kid/child ai porn already exist somewhere. But i'm quite lucky despite knowing rotten.com and plenty of other sides, never having seen real so i doubt i will see fake child porn. Whats the elephant in the room now? Nothing changed. Whoever consumes real will consume fake too. FBI/CIA will still try to destroy cp rings. We could even think it might make this situation somehow bett…

> Whats the elephant in the room now?

Your family will be target for example, just imagine your daughter in high-school getting bullied by these type of generated AI videos. it's easy to say nothing happen, but when it happen to you you will be aware how fucked is these AI videos.

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Post by precompute »

julianpye wrote: post #126

An indie film with poor production values, even bad acting can grip you, make you laugh and make you cry. The consistency of quality is key - even if it is poor. The directing is the red thread throughout the scenes. Anything with different quality levels interrupts your flow and breaks your experience. The problem with AI video content at this stage is that the clips are very good 'in themselves', just as LLM result…

Sorry, but AI generated video is unwatchable. Even now, when it's really great. It just doesn't seem authentic.

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Post by DrScientist »

bbor wrote: post #481
DrScientist wrote: post #406

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Indeed, it's the advertisers who are paying for AI to watch videos....

Google already invests a tremendous amount of resources into identifying and preventing fraudulent ad impressions -- I don't see that changing much until AI is so cheap that it makes sense to run a full agent for pennies per hour. Sadly.

Not talking about fraud per se - in the sense of trying to drive revenue for a particular video channel - just that if you wanted to train AI on youtube videos you are in effect getting the advertisers to pay for the serving of them.

Perhaps the difference here is the behaviour would be much more human and thus harder to detect using current fraud detection?

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Post by lancekey »

jjcm wrote: post #66

It finally feels like the professional tools have greatly outpaced the open source versions. While wan and hunyuan are solid free options, the latest from Google and Runway have started to feel like a league above. Interestingly it feels like the biggest differentiator is editing tools - ability to prompt motion, direction, cuts, or weaving in audio, rather than just pure ability to one shot. These larger companies a…

I would think there’s a major difference in the inference time commute for tools like this. And major providers can spend a lot more (at a loss) on the runtime compute. That’s just a guess though.

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Post by sebstefan »

Timon3 wrote: post #372
sebstefan wrote: post #371

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They're never going to manage to do that, just on a technical level Plus some users might want to legitimately upload things with AI-generated content in it

> They're never going to manage to do that, just on a technical level Why not? Given enough data, it's possible to train models to differentiate - especially since humans can pick up on the difference pretty well. > Plus some users might want to legitimately upload things with AI-generated content in it Excluding videos from training datasets doesn't mean excluding them from Youtube.

> Excluding videos from training datasets doesn't mean excluding them from Youtube.

Ah then sure. It was this part that was problematic.

If users are still allowed to upload flagged content, then false positives almost don't matter, so Youtube could just roll out some imperfect solution and it would be fine

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Post by ionwake »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #450
lm28469 wrote: post #444

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God forbid people have an opinion "Oh you're posting on hackernews, if you don't suck google's dick and every single gadgets megacorps shit out you must be highly autistic".... interesting take

This is objectively one of the most autistic websites on the internet. Likely worse than 4chan /g/. Just as dang and PG like it though!

Sure is! And it’s great.

Sorry I being autistic didn’t even phrase it well I think people got too offended I was just saying the bad side to it, HN is great.

Couple of people were so upset at the suggestion they replied in a defensive manner I should have been more careful with my rant

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Post by jplusequalt »

alickz wrote: post #537
jplusequalt wrote: post #530

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>do you think taking a photo of something is skipping to the end goal of painting Going outside and taking a photo requires you to be engaging with the scene around you. You are the actor doing the thing. When you prompt an AI, the AI is the actor doing the thing.

Would you consider film directors to be artists?

Yes! Directors orchestrate hundreds of people and other creatives, have a say in how scenes are shot, how actors perform their lines, which music gets used, which lines need to be changed or added, etc.

Not to mention that many directors also write the script for the film.

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Post by bathtub365 »

WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #518
oliwary wrote: post #408

This demo video of Veo 3 on reddit, featuring a variety of characters talking in different scenarios and accents, is one of the most incredible AI demos I have ever seen: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1krmsns/wtf_ai_vid... Created by Ari Kuschnir

Looks like AI crossed a line. At the very least, one person can do long form documentaries from their basement using VEO 3. There is no need for camera shoots. Yikes. This reminds me of Pixar's video of an animated lamp 40 years ago. I remember that within 5 years Toy Story came out and changed everything on how animated films were made. Looks to me like we are on our way to doing the same thing with realistic movies…

What are they documenting if it’s entirely AI generated images?

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Post by flmontpetit »

marcyb5st wrote: post #466
flmontpetit wrote: post #459

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It's already difficult enough to make a successful book adaptation, even WITH authorial intent. Can't imagine that hours of patchwork AI-generated video, with all its artifacting and consistency errors, will fare any better than "The Rings of Power".

I think not yet, but it is coming. I can see it using some form of PEFT so that the output becomes consistent with both the setting and the characters and then it is about generating over and over each short segment until you are happy with the outcome. Then you stitch them together and if you don't like some part you can always try to re-generate them, change the prompt, ...

I don't believe we will live to see the day where these models can replace a competent production team. At best they'll be what LLMs are to creative writing, which has so far only conclusively replaced low effort blogspam and fraud/plagiarism.

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Post by elzbardico »

sebau wrote: post #63

Future is not bright. While we are endlessly talking about details reality is that AI is taken over so many jobs. Not in 10 years but now. People who just see this as terrible are wrong. AI improving curves is exponential. People adaptability is at best linear. This makes me really sad. For creativity. For people.

Time for the Butlerian Jihad
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