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A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

#541

The issue with this is they claim the cost savings came from not having a screen and other silly features, but that’s not where money is spent. The real cost savings came a tiny, 150 mile battery. It could easily be <100 miles loaded up after a few years of use, which means there are very few use cases for this truck, and it certainly doesn’t make sense without the tax credit. Cool idea, but there’s no getting around…

There are plenty of use cases for a ~100 mile truck.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

#542

The issue with this is they claim the cost savings came from not having a screen and other silly features, but that’s not where money is spent. The real cost savings came a tiny, 150 mile battery. It could easily be <100 miles loaded up after a few years of use, which means there are very few use cases for this truck, and it certainly doesn’t make sense without the tax credit. Cool idea, but there’s no getting around…

The plastic frame probably helps by making it super light. And that + the lack of paint definitely helps cut manufacturing costs

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

#543
post #11

It's a $20k, street-legal, EV modding platform. Sounds like you can mount your own infotainment system. Just an electric motor, battery, and chassis, and the rest is up to you. Isn't this what we've been asking for?

> a comprehensive active safety system that includes everything from automatic emergency braking with pedestrian detection to automatic high beams

No stereo, but luckily they still found space for a few DNN accelerators that will slam on the brakes randomly when getting false detections. Likely still has a 4G uplink and all the modern car cancer to make sure they can datamine their clients as much as possible and offset the subsidized purchase cost.

Worst of both worlds?

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

#544
post #49

Absolutely love this. Love brands taking the SLC (simple, lovable, complete: https://longform.asmartbear.com/slc/ ) approach - minimalism is an absolute delight in a world where everything is crammed with unnecessary/unused feature bloat. (That said, I'd love a stereo - even if it was just a built in bluetooth speaker/aux-in, which feels like a perfect compromise!)

I like this comment because it both argues for "SLC" design and contains the reason why we don't get it: "Sure this thing looks great if only it had " where is different for every buyer.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it would be possible to produce a carbon tax that’s simple

Tax the fuel. Gasoline now has a $X/gallon tax, as does propane, as does coal, whatever. What is the difficulty with that?

It’s extremely regressive. You’d need to also give a rebate based on income level.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

#547

~$30k for a manual-window, slow-charging truck? Will anybody in the US actually want one? It's a cool concept... looks good to my eye, small trucks are neat, etc. But, I'd want push-button windows, up-to-date charge controller/battery tech, and the normal EV integrated app. Maybe if it was really a $20k truck (they're advertising the price after incentives, many of which are either going away or vanish for higher inc…

Anyone? Sure. If this was available 2 months ago, I may have bought one instead of a used Polestar. The Polestar is wildly faster, more luxurious, better range, but I'd have liked a truck, and if I got the $7500 tax credit, I'd have paid about $9k less for this. (Used, 20k miles, $29k.) Lots of people? Much harder to say. Has to be either "first car" kind of thing for someone young, or "second car" in a family where…

>(Or "third car" for people with money to spare.)

...or have a spouse and many driving age children. I'm currently in the market for car for the fifth driver in the family.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

#550

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore this truck. But I feel the same way about this truck that I do about the Framework Laptop (having owned one)—cool idea, cool product, but will Slate be around in 5 years to keep making parts and offering support for it?

This is a fair concern, I imagine. If it is highly user serviceable, maybe that isn't a concern.

That said, I think you raise a bigger issue - I'd like to see MORE things like Framework, Fairphone or Slate - user serviceable, customizable - maybe low initial cost.

To me, this feels futuristic, exciting, optimistic and positive.. we need more like this, so how can we make these kinds of businesses more likely to succeed, resilient, etc?

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