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Re: Careless People

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This is a small bit, and I don't know anything about Zuckerberg's personal life, but "he refuses to get out of bed before noon" is normally more a sign of depression than laziness.

Far more likely to be "keeps insane hours and refuses to change them"

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Huh. I remember being miles ahead of my peers in computer science in high school. When getting to college and finding people most definitely better than I was, I was incredibly excited to finally find such people, not scared away.

That’s not a common reaction with humans. When people are the best, there’s a huge serotonin rush. Like literally this is measurable in humans. Serotonin regulates dominance hierarchies and is associated with happiness. It’s so biological in nature that the same effect can be witnessed in lobsters. People or lobsters high in dominance have more serotonin and are generally happier. Your story is not only anomalous. Bu…

Human instinct is a complex of different things acting in opposite directions, including things that work against hierarchy.

I'm shocked that you think this is an unbelievable reaction, I know lots of people who really do think like that.

I wonder if you might find C S Lewis's lecture on the "inner ring" interesting.

https://archive.org/details/1944-the-inner-ring

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Yes, I would absolutely consider Zuckerberg as one of the top 5% most talented people in the world. Frankly, that isn’t a particularly high bar whatsoever. Haven't you ever been amongst the general populace? You’ve committed the typical sin on this site of overrating technical prowess and underrating business acumen. There’s a reason so many founder CEOs from his era ended up getting sacked while he’s maintained cont…

Seriously, I work at a FAANG and Zuck would be in the top 5% most talented people at my company. Hands down. That doesn't take away from all the things he's clearly _terrible_ at, one being actually caring about other people, but still clearly an exceptional engineer and business mind.

Cut it with the FAANG exceptionalism, I worked for multiple FAANGs, you need to reevaluate many of your opinions. The biggest skill people at FAANGs have is getting hired at a FAANG and that is it.

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But what? It’s her website and is ultimately responsible. “I didn’t code it” is not an excuse.

Do you assume full responsability for all the dependencies of all the software you write and use?

That’s neither here nor there.

This a very specific situation where someone comes to my website/company, takes an action they believe is safe, and gets a bunch of spam. That would absolutely be my responsibility - it’s where the buck stops.

Re: Careless People

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I’m only part of the way through the book, so have nothing to spoil here. But it’s entertaining. And shocking. The author will relate a scene that’s so absurd that you think “ah, this can’t be true, this is made up for dramatic effect, nobody would act like that” and then you Google it and you realize the absurd thing is totally true and was fully documented at the time. All the author is adding is a perspective from…

Please tell me exactly when it gets interesting, Im listening to it and completely uninterested in the author’s “job pitch”

Sheryl inviting the author to go to bed with her, and then holding it against her when she didn’t. That was my double-take moment in the book.

Re: Careless People

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These crises are occurring right now so I don’t think it will take multiple generations. The rise of neo-fascism, the climate crisis, and the escalating warmongering toward China - a nuclear power - should be seen as symptoms of a system breaking down because it prioritizes profit over people. Intensification of capitalism’s worst tendencies is the capitalist’s last stand. It’s either going to end in mass destruction…

This is very much what professor Richard Wolff is saying. What you're witnessing down is the systemic failure and breakdown of a system (capitalism) that is completely out of control and ultimately starts to attack the very institutions that enable it in its greedy search for "growth" (i.e. producing more wealth for the already wealthy). The system will eventually collapse. Recommended video, an interview with Prof W…

Fascinating interview. Here is Immanuel Wallerstein making a similar point in 2009:

https://youtu.be/nLvszWBf6BQ?si=vooaKzrHHyRj9sHz

Re: Careless People

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Really? I think it's pretty normal to use your moral compass to take into account someone's work history during hiring decisions. Did they work for a tobacco company, advertising harmful products to kids? I think that's bad, but you're right, it is a personal bias. Some argue that tobacco is actually fine. Did they work for a buy-now-pay-later company which sneakily traps people into debt cycles? Again, I think that'…

Those comparisons are completely disingenuous Lots of products came out of Facebook that have no moral implications at all

Every single product from facebook is or will be a vehicle for advertisement. Every vehicle for advertisement must be optimized for ad delivery. Optimizing for ad delivery chases attention above all else, including the end user's wellbeing.

At the end of the day, every facebook product must optimize for this singular business goal. Even if you don't see it at the moment you ship whatever feature, that is the truth.

Re: Careless People

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Really? I think it's pretty normal to use your moral compass to take into account someone's work history during hiring decisions. Did they work for a tobacco company, advertising harmful products to kids? I think that's bad, but you're right, it is a personal bias. Some argue that tobacco is actually fine. Did they work for a buy-now-pay-later company which sneakily traps people into debt cycles? Again, I think that'…

My prior comment is poorly worded around what my intent was. I think it's important to separate the person from the machine. {company} has done {things I disagree with}, and {candidate} was working for them during this period. vs {candidate} has done {things I disagree with} Sure there is overlap and gray area, but, not "reject someone's resumè for having any {company}" level.

Good clarification, and I agree there's a venn diagram that doesn't totally look like a circle - but for me it nearly does look like a circle :)

Re: Careless People

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Bias disclaimer: I've worked at multiple FAANGs and Meta isn't one of them, but as with anyone in the industry I've had friends at all of them. Meta feels very different - both at the top, with Zuckerberg's immunity from the board, full control, and personality "quirks" on public display - but also at the lower levels. Every company has a stable of people who will do what they're told to collect a paycheck but Meta h…

The Koolaid is stronger at Facebook, because it has to be. It does feel slightly cathartic to reject someone's resumè for having any time at Facebook on it.

> reject someone's resumè for having any time at Facebook on it.

I know some lovely, brilliant people who work at Meta or have. None of them carry around any such delusions or deserve this kind of condemnation.

Or if they do, then so do engineers who have worked at Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Oracle, or any other of a host of countless corporate tech companies -- which would be just as silly.

Re: Careless People

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Seriously, I work at a FAANG and Zuck would be in the top 5% most talented people at my company. Hands down. That doesn't take away from all the things he's clearly _terrible_ at, one being actually caring about other people, but still clearly an exceptional engineer and business mind.

Cut it with the FAANG exceptionalism, I worked for multiple FAANGs, you need to reevaluate many of your opinions. The biggest skill people at FAANGs have is getting hired at a FAANG and that is it.

I don't know where you got the idea that I have faang exceptionalism, quite the opposite
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