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Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by valiant55 »

_el1s7 wrote: post #480
hliyan wrote: post #368

The phenomenon at work here is: if product being produced by a profit-seeking enterprise can be rented instead of being sold, said enterprise will eventually find a way to do it, then over time, rather than a single bill, it will attempt to rent out individual aspects of the now product-turned-service, followed by cost cutting that degrades the default service level while introducing additional service levels for whi…

Single bill for modern software doesn't make sense economically anymore. Do you want updates? You want new versions? New features? Support? Single bill it's like buying an IPhone once and then you expect to get a new one for free each year.

Does a JetBrains style license not address this exactly? You buy the current version and one year of updates. If you want updates after that you have to renew.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by numpad0 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #161
numpad0 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What it implies is, it's not really about ethics per se, just like it's not really about 6th digits per se. People hate AI images, cut and dry. Law is agreeable hate, in a way. Things that gets enough hate will get regulated out, sooner or later.

> People hate AI images, cut and dry. People hate bad AI images, because they hate bad images , period. They don't hate good AI images, and when they see great AI images, they don't even realize they are made by AI. It's true, there's a deluge of bad art now, and it's almost entirely AI art. But it's not because AI models exist or how they're trained - it's because marketers[0] don't give a fuck about how people feel…

I haven't seen a single AI image that were good let alone great.

To be completely honest, I can't always tell, but when I come across images that give me inexplicable gastric discomfort that I can't explain why, and then it was revealed that it had been AI generated, that explains it all(doesn't remove the discomfort, just explains it).

I don't have reasons to believe that I have above-average eyes on art among HNers, but it'll be funny and painful if so. I mean, I'm no Hayao "I sense insult to life itself" Miyazaki...

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by gruez »

liendolucas wrote: post #499
maccard wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a fee for cancelling an annual subscription that you agreed to.

That's exactly why it should be illegal: so people don't have to agree to an abusive and money thirsty contract.

Do you think multi-month agreements like car insurance or leases should also be illegal? Maybe if you leased a car but 3 months in you're not really feeling it, you should be able to cancel your lease without penalty?

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Post by delfugal »

Adobe has perfected digital blackmail.

After using and promoting their products for years to create our work, the switch off access to view or print any of it unless we keep paying blackmail monthly fees.

I don't want to edit my old work, but to lock me out of viewing it is nothing short of BLACKMAIL. As people change jobs or retire, they lose all access to their work. Sick.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by washadjeffmad »

adzm wrote: post #28

Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. The AI features in Photoshop are the best around in my experience and come in handy constantly for all sorts of touchup work. Anyway I don't really think they deserve a lot of the hate they get, but I do hope this encourages development of viable alternatives to their products. Photoshop is still pretty much p…

What can Photoshop AI do that ipadapter / controlnets can't and haven't done for the past two years?

"Get artists to use it" is the free square :)

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Post by luckylion »

Juliate wrote: post #482
squigz wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One could say much the same thing about photographers, or digital artists. They don't use paint, or sculpt marble, so they're not real artists.

Who talked about "real" here? Photographers do manipulate cameras, and rework afterwise the images to develop. Digital artists do manipulate digital tools. Their output is a large function of their informed input, experience, taste, knowledge, practice and intention, using their own specific tools in their own way. Same with developers: the result is a function of their input (architecture, code, etc.). Garbage in, g…

> With AI prompters, the output is part function of the (very small) prompt, part function of the (huuuuuuuge) training set, part randomness.

With photographers, the output is part function of the (very small) orientation of the camera and pressing the button, part function of the (huuuuuuuge) technical marvel that are modern cameras, part randomness.

Let's be realistic here. Without the manufactured cameras, 99.9% of photographers wouldn't be photographers, only the 10 people who'd want it enough to build their own cameras, and they wouldn't have much appeal beyond a curiosity because their cameras would suck.

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Post by sbszllr »

haswell wrote: post #243

As a photographer, I have a love/hate relationship with Adobe. I’m not a fan of many aspects of their business, but Lightroom is a (sometimes) excellent product. On the one hand, I don’t have much sympathy for Adobe. On the other hand, this whole situation is why I am not on social media these days with the exception of HN and niche subreddits. Even if much of the criticism they receive is warranted, the social media…

Yup, I prefer Lightroom to Capture One, especially for film-related workflows.

But I just can't go back to their predatory pricing practices, and the absolute malware of a programme that creative cloud is.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by s3p »

drdaeman wrote: post #323
EasyMark wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not surprised but disheartened that people have so little going on in their life they thing trying to boycott a bsky corporate account is a good use of their time.

I think it's rather the opposite - there's way too much going on in their life, specifically stuff that they have no control over, so they vent all that stress wherever they can.

Disagree. I think when people are that busy they don't have time to find and attack a corporation on BlueSky.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by junto »

stego-tech wrote: post #357

Man, this was fun to see in real time. A site whose earliest adopters were Twitter refugees who hated the crypto/AI/NFT boosters, created actual art, and ultimately left Twitter because of rampant fascism and bigotry, effectively cyberbullied the company and its Head of Social Media so badly the latter left the site entirely. You have to be pretty bad at your job to misread the room so terribly. Just taking a casual…

This is a spot on analysis. Bluesky and Mastodon are full of people that felt and continue to feel disenfranchised and excluded. They embraced Bluesky because it reminded them of what Twitter used to be and had found themselves what they felt was a relatively safe space.

Companies like Adobe and other major tech players have enabled the hostile environment we see growing every day. It’s no wonder that disingenuous posts like this from predatory companies receive such a backlash.

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Post by SuperNinKenDo »

adzm wrote: post #28

Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. The AI features in Photoshop are the best around in my experience and come in handy constantly for all sorts of touchup work. Anyway I don't really think they deserve a lot of the hate they get, but I do hope this encourages development of viable alternatives to their products. Photoshop is still pretty much p…

ACME is the one major company trying to be ethical with its orphan crushing training data and no one even seems to care!
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