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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by acidmath »

sapphicsnail wrote: post #313
slibhb wrote: post #257

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> Freedom of speech is just the easiest way to have plausible deniability when directly or indirectly defending otherwise indefensible positions. The idea that it's somehow suspicious to be in favor of free speech has got to be one of the worst developments in American politics. And, for whatever it's worth, every vocal "free speech person" I know doesn't like the current administation. Some people actually just have…

I have yet to see a free speech absolutist express concern about the government and media suppressing Gaza protestors or LGBTQ books being banned or anything else that affects the left. Doesn't seem very principled to me.

For books depicting sex acts, banning such books from public elementary and middle school libraries is reasonable. Is it not?

Does there exist any example of an administration (federal or state) successfully prohibiting the private sale of an LGBTQ book?

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Post by beepbopboopp »

boroboro4 wrote: post #244
pfo32 wrote: post #207

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Its cooked everywhere. Thank the Attention Economy. All sides are trapped by in a fight over finite Attention. Its like the world war but instead of land its Views/Clicks/Likes. Since Attention is a finite non growing pool the trap is set. One day some one gets all the fish and another its someone else. Anyone who has any sense wouldn't waste any energy being part of such a stupid game cause its eventually lose lose.…

While I’m with you on attention economy I think it’s simplification of what’s going on: – we had very dysfunctional legislature for last 20+ years – quality of life is falling for majority of people This contributes to feeling of unfairness in the society which pushes authoritarian and populist ideas.

With all do respect, I dont think so. The unfairness is relative feeling of judgment brought to you directly by the ability to compare yourself to your neighbors via social.

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Post by jerlam »

BrenBarn wrote: post #159
nine_zeros wrote: post #46

I find it remarkable that Americans are ok with rule by executive order instead of rule by congressional law. I also find it fascinating that no federal judge has held any Trump administration officers in contempt or imposed sanctions/bans on officers who are continuously hurting constitutional rights. I assume that Americans have been sleeping at the wheel, unaware of the threat of slide into fascism. But is the vot…

Executive order vs. legislation is a meaningless distinction to most people. What most people care about is what they or someone else can get in trouble for and what consequences they will face, and more generally just how good they perceive their life to be. It's like trying to distinguish between two diseases with long latinate names; what matters is how sick you feel and what treatment will stop it. Insofar as peo…

Side discussion, but the United States having two separate, elected legislative and executive branches is kind of lousy. It makes it difficult, as you say, to understand who is responsible for anything. Yet we have somehow convinced ourselves that it is the best system, because we have also convinced ourselves we are the best country.

Most countries with parliamentary systems don't have this problem, where a person votes for a party and that party works with other parties to elect the the head executive. That head executive answers to the legislative. There aren't situations where the legislative and executive branches aren't politically aligned (a divided government) which has become common in the US and basically where nothing can get done.

If you look at other countries that also have Presidential systems, the US is not in very good company:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_system_of...

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Post by someothherguyy »

timewizard wrote: post #125
Afforess wrote: post #5

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Voting is the minimum of civic duty, not the maximum.

Voting is not a civic duty. I have every right NOT to vote. It's my voice and I can use it as I please. Forcing me into a ballot box to pick between two awful choices is not civilized.

In non-individualist thought, voting might be seen as a ethical duty to protect fellow citizens from harm.

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Post by croes »

mayrio wrote: post #453

This is a case of things must get better before they get worse… Basic right in america have been declining for years now. And now its happening all at once. The question is how bad does it have to get before the average Americans start to unite and fight back against this billionaire friendly legislation. This country started by revolting over taxes on tea.

Don’t you mean get worse before they get better?

Most of the time these means people getting killed.

The human rights resolution needed the terror of WW2

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Post by TOMDM »

tstrimple wrote: post #533
TOMDM wrote: post #515

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The Twitter files that document the FBI requesting takedown of posts and accounts, Twitter internally debating the request, refusing the FBI and then suffering no consequences? Those Twitter files? Meanwhile Trump is suing pollsters for publications he doesn't like; extorting law firms for representation as reparation for them representing clients that sued him, who is deporting lawful permenant residents without due…

The Twitter files are basically the same as the Mueller report at this point. Folks completely ignorant to the topic and who have never read them hold them up as proof that they were right all along. Never mind that if they could actually read and understand the documents, they would realize they show the opposite of what they claim.

It's maddening.

I'm glad I left the US.

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Post by YZF »

beej71 wrote: post #517
YZF wrote: post #370

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You mean this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF2MHRtONo4 and this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmBk3T935CI is just free speech? Here's the deal. You want free speech don't intimidate, threaten and vandalize. I own a Tesla. I bought one because I wanted an EV to reduce my emissions and that was the best one (years ago). Your right to free speech doesn't trump (heh, see what I did there) my right to be safe. EDIT…

No, that is obviously not "just free speech". Sheesh. C'mon, man.

I am trying to make a point. Apparently very poorly.

Either way, these Tesla protests are just idiotic. The vandalism is criminal. If this is the way Americans save their democracy and the rest of us rely on them then we're all doomed.

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Post by cvz »

facile3232 wrote: post #484
cvz wrote: post #474

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The reason you don't see "free speech" used for those causes isn't because they don't rely on free speech. It's because advocacy for them is so clearly protected as free speech that it isn't even a question. There have been times when that protection was a question in the U.S., like when protesting wars or segregation laws. Without the right to say something, there is no legal way to organize or to demand any other r…

> Without the right to say something, there is no legal way to organize or to demand any other right. Americans don't do this, though. They don't demand better. They accept shitty governance and say "at least I voted". And frankly I don't think they ever will. So I say, fuck it, let's just all accept that government is shitty and mostly exists to squeeze us for money. We can finally stop acting like it's representati…

> Americans don't do this, though. They don't demand better. They accept shitty governance and say "at least I voted". And frankly I don't think they ever will.

That is an obviously wrong statement even if we only look at protests within the past 5 years.

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Post by Throwaway5369 »

tombert wrote: post #3

I understand why these things have to be posted, but I would be lying if I said that I wasn't utterly exhausted by the constant shit that the Trump administration is spitting at us. I mean, I get it, bad shit needs to be reported on, the Trump admin does a lot of bad shit, it makes sense, but it's just extremely tiring. I know that's kind of the point, to bombard us with all this shit all at once so that we are exhau…

Protest. Go onto the streets. Doing nothing means accepting the way things are
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