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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by taylodl »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #10

Ukraine is in a bind, and the US has the power to do whatever it wants. But boy, will the nations of the world remember this -- how quickly the US can turn from ally to bully. A really bad day for US foreign policy. The EU is going to be thinking long and hard about the future of NATO now.

The future of NATO is secure. It just won't include the US. Whether that exclusion is done implicitly or explicitly remains to be seen. The US has put itself in the position where it has no allies and no peaceful trading partners. That's not going to work out well for them, regardless of how much military might they believe they have.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by attentive »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #10

Ukraine is in a bind, and the US has the power to do whatever it wants. But boy, will the nations of the world remember this -- how quickly the US can turn from ally to bully. A really bad day for US foreign policy. The EU is going to be thinking long and hard about the future of NATO now.

Not only that, now only insane nation won't try to get nukes.

Expect insane nukes proliferation.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by casenmgreen »

Animats wrote: post #387

On the minerals front, the US doesn't need anything from Ukraine. Most of the minerals mentioned, except titanium, are un-mined deposits. Or things the US has plenty of already, such as oil, natural gas, coal, and iron. Here's a rundown: - Rare earths: I've mentioned the MP Minerals, Mountain Pass, CA mine before. The US doesn't have enough rare earth refining capability, and China won't export the technology. So US…

The minerals deal made no sense.

1. If you wanted minerals because of strategic concerns, you would not source them from a State which has been invaded by Russia. This is not a stable, reliable source.

2. The deal we saw details for was a jointly controlled fund for investment, where 50% of profit of State owned mining and related infrastructure would be deposited. There's no mention there of mineral supply to the US.

I did not understand it, and I still see no sense in it.

What was actually going on?

We saw Donald try to bounce Z into signing : "you have one hour to sign this".

That obviously shattered any trust that might have been there.

I don't think we ever saw the text of that first deal.

Then the second deal was just this jointly controlled investment fund, which looked like a face-saver.

In any event, USA is now out of the game.

A coup is in the process of occurring, and once the judges and courts are subverted, will be complete.

All this with the deal and D and Z is basically water under the bridge; EU has to stand on its own two feet now, and that's the situation here and now, however we got here.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by [deleted] »

trackone wrote: post #441

Things like this make it seem like China will be much more likely to try and retake Taiwan soon. Seeing things like this, it is hard to imagine that the US will help defend Taiwan by providing military aid. I can imagine that trump will try to ask for something in return first. Even something like trump asking for TSMC to be sold to trump supporters (musk and others) seems likely to happen.

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by chgs »

sys_64738 wrote: post #328

I've never felt this embarrassed to be an American in recent years. To all our foreign friends in computing, the majority of people in the US are not caricatures of POTUS and his sock puppet sidekick.

But about half of America did vote for this, and Trump isn’t doing what he said he’d do and what the world said he’d do.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by surfpel »

Nition wrote: post #261

I normally avoid commenting on politics entirely but I feel compelled to comment here. I'm sure anyone who's ever been bullied in their life will feel exactly what's happening in that video clip. Two big kids, confident in their position and backing each other up, gang up on the outsider. Did they ever really want to make a deal at all? Absolutely infuriating and saddening to watch.

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by shmerl »

Time for Europe to reduce the discussions and back Ukraine even more. Europe can't rely on Trump and his clowns anymore who will more likely side with Putin and other fascists than with free Europe.

They should use all frozen Russia's money assets to back Ukraine's war effort (it still didn't happen fully). And increase weapons production and armies to adequate sizes ASAP (this should have happened "yesterday").

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by evantbyrne »

varispeed wrote: post #300

Russia probably has strong kompromats on Trump and his administration. Can't explain it any other way. Why otherwise they would go out of the way to make idiots of themselves in public in front of the whole world? I know Trump has not been an example of tact but this is something else.

Could be as simple as he wants to say he "ended" the war. If history offers any lessons, it's that he doesn't think too much about the details and doesn't care how his actions impact others.
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