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Re: GPT-4.5

#541

The results for GPT - 4.5 are in for Kagi LLM benchmark too. It does crush our benchmark - time to make new? ;) - with performance similar of that of reasoning models. It does come at a great price both in cost and speed. A monster is what they created. But looking at the tasks it fails, some of them my 9 year old would solve. Still in this weird limbo space of super knowledge and low intelligence. May be remembered…

Why don't you have Grok?

Re: GPT-4.5

#542
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GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

The price will come down over time as they apply all the techniques to distill it down to a smaller parameter model. Just like GPT4 pricing came down significantly over time.

Re: GPT-4.5

#543
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>GPT‑4.5 is more succinct and conversational I wonder why they highlight it as an achievement when they could have simply tuned 4o to be more conversational and less like a bullet-point-style answer machine. They did something to 4o compared to the previous models which made the responses feel more canned.

Poossibly, but reports seem to indicate that 4.5 is much more nuanced and thoughtful in its language use. It's not just being shorter and casual as a style, there is a higher amount of "conceptual resolution" within the words being used.

Re: GPT-4.5

#544

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> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

> "Early testing shows that interacting with GPT‑4.5 feels more natural. Its broader knowledge base, improved ability to follow user intent, and greater “EQ” make it useful for tasks like improving writing, programming, and solving practical problems. We also expect it to hallucinate less." "Early testing doesn't show that it hallucinates less, but we expect that putting that sentence nearby will lead you to draw a c…

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Re: GPT-4.5

#545
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According to a graph they provide, it does hallucinate significantly less on at least one benchmark.

It hallucinates at 37% on SimpleQA yeah, which is a set of very difficult questions inviting hallucinations. Claude 3.5 Sonnet (the June 2024 editiom, before October update and before 3.7) hallucinated at 35%. I think this is more of an indication of how behind OpenAI has been in this area.

It's not SimpleQA...

Re: GPT-4.5

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Are the benchmarks known ahead of time? Could the answer to the benchmarks be in the training data?

They've been caught in the past getting benchmark data under the table, if they got caught once they're probably doing it even more

No, they haven't.

Re: GPT-4.5

#548

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Claude just got a version bump from 3.5 to 3.7. Quite a few people have been asking when OpenAI will get a version bump as well, as GPT 4 has been out "what feels like forever" in the words of a specialist I speak with. Releasing GPT 4.5 might simply be a reaction to Claude 3.7.

I noticed this change from 3.5 to 3.7 Sunday night before I learned about the upgrade Monday morning reading HN. I noticed a style difference in a long philosophical (Socratic-style) discussion with Claude. A noticeable upgrade that brought it up to my standards of a mild free-form rant. Claude unchained! And it did not push as usual with a pro-forma boring continuation question at the end. It just stopped leaving me…

That's a really thoughtful point! Which aspect is most interesting to you?

Re: GPT-4.5

#549

The results for GPT - 4.5 are in for Kagi LLM benchmark too. It does crush our benchmark - time to make new? ;) - with performance similar of that of reasoning models. It does come at a great price both in cost and speed. A monster is what they created. But looking at the tasks it fails, some of them my 9 year old would solve. Still in this weird limbo space of super knowledge and low intelligence. May be remembered…

Do you have results for gpt-4? I’d be very interested in seeing the lift here from their last “big one”.

Re: GPT-4.5

#550
post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

one of the problem seem to be there's no alternative to Nvidia ecosystem. (the gpu + CUDA).

ZLUDA can be used as compatibility glue, also you can use ROCm or even Vulcan with Ollama.
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