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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by DrBenCarson »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #537
DrBenCarson wrote: post #462

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Phones maintain a cellular connection even if most data is being transmitted over WiFi at any given moment Cellular modems are constantly reading and broadcasting messages to the cellular network unless they are explicitly turned off

But they use much more power when they are receiving data.

Sure. But they also use a massive amount of power when they’re out of range so constantly searching for the network

Turning off your modem is second only to turning off your screen if you’re looking to save battery

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by bentt »

crazygringo wrote: post #388
bentt wrote: post #196

Looks more and more that Apple is pushing AI inference to the edges, with this and the Mac Mini and it's very suspiciously placed power button which says "No, you don't need to shut this computer off. It has important work to do! (For everyone else)" Will be interesting to see how Apple and Nvidia's approaches to AI compare and contrast over the coming months/years.

Are you promoting some kind of conspiracy theory that Apple is using some people's devices to do inference for other people's devices? There's absolutely zero evidence of that, and it would be easy to observe it happening. So why are you pushing some kind of totally false narrative?

Maybe there's zero evidence now, but think about the lengths to which Apple has gone to build a private cloud infrastructure and why they would do so. It's one thing for them to offer that as a do-gooder service to their customers, which it certainly is. But once it's established as private and secure, why wouldn't they use spare compute at the edge for inference? It's smart. It's not a conspiracy.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by bentt »

dylan604 wrote: post #329
bentt wrote: post #196

Looks more and more that Apple is pushing AI inference to the edges, with this and the Mac Mini and it's very suspiciously placed power button which says "No, you don't need to shut this computer off. It has important work to do! (For everyone else)" Will be interesting to see how Apple and Nvidia's approaches to AI compare and contrast over the coming months/years.

> It has important work to do! (For everyone else) Where do you get that macOS is running code like this? I've never heard of shared compute on my computer for anything other than software I deliberately installed. I haven't paid that close attention to the past couple of OS propaganda films at the start of WWDC. Did I miss something?

I'm not saying they currently are. They wouldn't until they knew that whatever they were doing was utterly secure. I'm just positing that they might be going there.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by threeseed »

nicce wrote: post #536
threeseed wrote: post #522

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> I understand that. My point being that 25 year old tech, before the real miniatyrization of circuits and power efficiency mind you, has 7x charge time and yet we are impressed by a few additional hours. Yes because those phones by comparison do nothing so it’s a meaningless comparison. It’s like arguing that we shouldn’t be impressed about EV range improvements because the bicycle exists.

> Yes because those phones by comparison do nothing so it’s a meaningless comparison. We were able to call with them and send messages. On top of that I mostly use browser with my current phone on comparison, while not necessary.

So most people make heavy use of applications like TikTok, Instagram, Facebook etc, take photos and videos, real time video calling, getting directions etc. All whilst on a colour, high-resolution screen orders of magnitude better than the Nokia phones.

Acting like physics doesn’t exist and we should be able to get a month long battery life whilst doing all of the above is idiotic. No other way to describe it.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by throwaway63467 »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #404
hnburnsy wrote: post #197

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Its been a long slog for Apple, they have been working on this since 2018, and they had to keep extending its supply agreements with Qualcomm... "Inside Apple’s Spectacular Failure to Build a Key Part for Its New iPhones" >The 2018 marching orders from Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook to design and build a modem chip—a part that connects iPhones to wireless carriers—led to the hiring of thousands of engineers. The goal…

Apple managed to design its own state-of-the-art CPUs. I wouldn't have imagined that designing its own modem would be such a difficult challenge?

Their CPU is based on ARM IP, it’s not like they designed it from the ground up. The modem they might have had to? Also I guess a big challenge are all the patents you need to be aware of and find ways to license or circumvent, not sure if that’s worse for modems but it seems all wireless / cellular technology is riddled with patents (not saying CPUs aren’t but again ARM is probably taking care of some of that for Apple).

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by bentt »

nobankai wrote: post #346
bentt wrote: post #196

Looks more and more that Apple is pushing AI inference to the edges, with this and the Mac Mini and it's very suspiciously placed power button which says "No, you don't need to shut this computer off. It has important work to do! (For everyone else)" Will be interesting to see how Apple and Nvidia's approaches to AI compare and contrast over the coming months/years.

Apple and Nvidia have arguably already diverged at the important forks in the road. Nvidia believes in complex GPU/streaming multiprocessor stacks - Apple relies on specialized hardware. Apple used to support a more complex software stack that could enable them to compete with Nvidia, but abandoned it shortly before the crypto craze to focus on NPU hardware. ...and then NPUs sorta did nothing. They run a few tiny mod…

Their private cloud for AI reads on the surface like the answer. If they can establish privacy then they can push the work to the edges.

Again, I'm not saying the are. They're the only ones that could, though.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

datadrivenangel wrote: post #447
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #232

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If the margin is lower then you make less money not more.

If the additional revenue is positive, and the margin on that additional revenue is positive, you've made more money.

There are two big if’s there which probably won’t be correct for Apple.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by seec »

asdff wrote: post #430
nlitened wrote: post #355

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I believe most people do iCloud backup/restore nowadays. I only do manual backup/restore once every few years when I upgrade my iPhone (even then, I could probably do that via iCloud also)

The only issue is now you pay for icloud for life. Terrible service just try pulling a lot of photos off of it. Basically can't be done because no matter the tool you try you get connection timeout issues after a couple dozen photos. I have like 60k photos on a family members icloud account that we can't get at all. Stuck paying icloud now for that person. Frankly at this point I'd pay for physical media mailed if th…

Yep. And the incentive at Apple is to keep making people use more cloud and have them pay more for it so they can say they make more profit from the service division.

It's quite bad, because it's a rug pull that Apple did. Before all the cloud/service nonsense, what differentiated Apple from the rest was your ability to fully own and manage their devices easily without having to rely on some "forever" subscription.

If people wanted some cloud crap, they could have gone with Google or even Microsoft. But current Apple doesn't care, it cares more about money than a fundamental philosophy that sets them apart.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by bentt »

heywoods wrote: post #270
bentt wrote: post #196

Looks more and more that Apple is pushing AI inference to the edges, with this and the Mac Mini and it's very suspiciously placed power button which says "No, you don't need to shut this computer off. It has important work to do! (For everyone else)" Will be interesting to see how Apple and Nvidia's approaches to AI compare and contrast over the coming months/years.

I am hoping Apple at some point in the future will allow iphone owners who also own a Mac with an M series chip to run Apple Intelligence from the Mac to take advantage of faster compute and larger parameter models while still operating at the 'edge'. If the apple private cloud tech allows for a Tailscale like connectivity between your mac and all iphone/ipads on an icloud account I could see that as an additional ho…

Right??! Others are downvoting me for supposedly inventing a conspiracy theory but to me it lines up pretty well with their business and could offer some compelling value to customers. Most people haven't read up on their private cloud stuff.

But I really did think that about the Mac Mini power button!

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