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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by srid »

angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

I do not share your fear & anxiety. What concrete danger do you imagine will happen as a result of xAI? Try to be as concrete as possible.

Also, dang, is there anything we can do to keep the comments on this submission tech-focused? Perhaps the Elon-bashing political digression can be split into its own thread?

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

#542

Post by smeeger »

_heimdall wrote: post #530
angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

I'm not sure how LLMs/AI couldn't consolidate power. By design, it will move power from the individual to those running the AI systems.

bingo. and everyone is fine with it as long as the consolidation is benefiting their own tribe.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by ramesh31 »

Can't stand Elon but happy to see this. We badly need a frontier model that is not so obsessed with "safety". That nonsense has held things back significantly, and leads to really stupid fake constraints.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by finnthehuman »

angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

> it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power

I can empathize, but I can't feel indignant about it. Not any more.

For years and years I've watched people warn about the centralization of power by tech companies. They were shut down left and right. I'm not accusing you of being one doing the shutting down. I'm just annoyed that Elon is what it takes for people to start realizing the people arguing the principal might have been onto something.

And I expect to see them start getting their "I told you so" in. Watching this play out, I'm personally inclined to join team "you made your bed, now sleep in it."

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by guax »

bobxmax wrote: post #483
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's already clear that these are going to be commoditized and the free / open source versions will be good enough to capture enough of the value that the remaining players will not be Facebook-level monopolies on the space

The vast majority of people couldn't care less about open source

They don't seem to care about Ai either. The vast majority of people care about the value they're getting, companies care abut open source because its usually free.

I don't think we expect a company to exist solely making a proprietary web server anymore and be a behemoth of 300B. OpenAi might end up at the same model as Nginx or Docker if they don't pivot or find a different model.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by srid »

numpad0 wrote: post #446
sigmoid10 wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The impression seems to be warranted: Grok 3 has directly jumpted to the top of all leaderboard categories in Chatbot Arena: https://lmarena.ai/?leaderboard In math it shares the top spot with o1 and is just a few points behind (well within errors). In creative writing it is basically ex-aequo with the latest ChatGPT 4o and in coding it's actually significantly ahead of everyone else and represents a new SOTA.

Considering that OpenAI subscription is $200 per month, and "Premium Plus" subscription that includes this thing is only $40 per month, does that mean instantaneous "Elon factor" is now at least -$160 per month per user, or is it supposed to be added up to more than -$240 per month? How would the math change after factoring in that OpenAI isn't even covering entirety of opex with the sub anyway, and/or people finding…

Where do you see that Premium+ is $40 per month?

The official source says "Starts at $22/month or $229/year on web", https://help.x.com/en/using-x/x-premium

This is pretty much what I paid a couple of months ago, as a Canadian.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by tartoran »

_heimdall wrote: post #530
angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

I'm not sure how LLMs/AI couldn't consolidate power. By design, it will move power from the individual to those running the AI systems.

I'm not sure people will just take it though. In the short term it looks like the situation is on a horrible course but eventually people will have had enough. I'm hoping it would take less time for that to happen and the damage will not be too great. Let's remember that we could use the same technology if not a better one to fight against all this.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

#548

Post by Arubis »

srid wrote: post #541
angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

I do not share your fear & anxiety. What concrete danger do you imagine will happen as a result of xAI? Try to be as concrete as possible. Also, dang, is there anything we can do to keep the comments on this submission tech-focused? Perhaps the Elon-bashing political digression can be split into its own thread?

Tech is the most powerful force in the modern economy. There is no making it not political. "Tech isn't political" _is a political statement_.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by wezdog1 »

srid wrote: post #541
angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

I do not share your fear & anxiety. What concrete danger do you imagine will happen as a result of xAI? Try to be as concrete as possible. Also, dang, is there anything we can do to keep the comments on this submission tech-focused? Perhaps the Elon-bashing political digression can be split into its own thread?

I do not share your fear & anxiety so please dont share yours.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

#550

Post by tartoran »

smeeger wrote: post #542
_heimdall wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how LLMs/AI couldn't consolidate power. By design, it will move power from the individual to those running the AI systems.

bingo. and everyone is fine with it as long as the consolidation is benefiting their own tribe.

A spark can start a fire, it doesn't seem wise to ignore history. Things can always get out of control even for the ones up there on top of the pyramid of power.
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