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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by mrcsharp »

mcv wrote: post #482
mrcsharp wrote: post #450

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I noticed this ~5KM/H difference between my GPS and the speedometer of a Toyota 2014 model. I checked and it had to do with liability apparently[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/CarsAustralia/comments/10d4g0b/spee...

It has always been common for cars to estimate your speed a bit on the high side, because there's always a margin of error, and that way you don't accidentally go over the speed limit while thinking you're still below it. But for a car to start beeping (or worse, interfering), they'd better use that margin of error in the other direction.

I can't stand all the beeping. It is wild how police are so against using mobile phones while driving (and they are right) but allow all these other distractions to run rampant in modern cars and distract drivers.

How we allow massive touch screens in Tesla's and other modern cars is beyond me.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by vtbassmatt »

Reubachi wrote: post #496
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #307

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Should front facing cameras be required by law (in USA) too? The bonnet height of USA vehicles appears to be adult shoulder height. If you're 5ft/150cm tall or under they're lethal.

I have a 22 Miata with all options, which is about shortest hood you can get in the us. The vehicle HAS A front facing camera, it takes up a huge portion of the front windscreen. There's no way to see an image from the front camera. Is it there to....To tell me if i'm...about to crash? it has no automatic cruise or anything. Absolutely puzzling. Another gripe about this car; "car play" works about half the time. Mayb…

I have a ‘21 Miata with the same gripes. The CarPlay situation got slightly better with an OS upgrade last year – now it only crashes about 10% of the time, and 75% of those recover on their own without needing a power-cycle.

The lack of adaptive cruise is baffling. We test drove a ‘15 CX-something-or-other in 2014 and it had the ability to brake automatically (dealer was very interested in demoing this feature). I assume it also had adaptive cruise, so it’s wild that a 6 years newer sports car wouldn’t have that feature.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by awalsh128 »

4ndrewl wrote: post #34
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

"Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible.” Agree. OP should have just bought a 10yo Corolla.

It sort of feels like Internet connected toasters. If the add-on fails, I'd like to still toast my bread (read drive my car).

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Post by gilbetron »

bdavbdav wrote: post #45
torginus wrote: post #31

The safest bet in EVs is to buy one from the Korean manufacturers - they have the tech figured out (and have had it for a few years), they make everything from 'car but electric' to 'Jetsons spaceship', they're reasonably priced, they have cheap and abundant parts, have mechanics who know how to work on them, and they don't have an 'X' factor CEO.

I like the concept of this, but they just don’t feel to be “nice” places to be in like some of the European marques. The Volvos are about the most comfortable “normal” cars I’ve been in, the Kia’s / Hyundais/ MGs / Toyotas feel like sitting on badly covered sofas on a wishy washy suspension platform, without enough sound deadening.

We have a Hyundai Ioniq 5 and we test drove lots of cars, and love, love how this one feels. Great suspension, grips to the road, crazy fun acceleration. Granted, some 100k+ luxury sedans probably beat it out, but we're really happy. Volvos were ok? I didn't super like them, a bit more cockpit feel to them. Maybe that's the difference between us? You want it to feel more like a cockpit of an aircraft and I want something chill and comfortable?

The Kia's we tried were mostly great (The EV6 felt like a cockpit though) - the EV9 was awesome but we couldn't convince ourselves to get such a large vehicle.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by csbbbb »

I am so glad I rented a Tesla as a stunt for a friend’s wedding. After the sun set and the temperature dropped into the mid 40s (F) with high humidity, the touch screen practically stopped working. We were lucky we didn’t get stranded.

Zipping to 60 mph on the highway in 3 seconds was fun a couple times, but I would never own one. Especially if one guy could just delete my car if he decides he doesn’t like me.

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Post by smatija »

Reubachi wrote: post #492
ryandrake wrote: post #478

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> The next car I am going to buy is probably going to be older than my current one. I've also come to this bizarre conclusion. Cars are rapidly regressing. I currently drive an '09, and yearly maintenance costs have begun to approach the value of the car. I'm not sure how long I can economically keep it on the road, but what would I replace it with? A '24 Driving-IoT-Nighmare?

Grass ain't always greener. Depending on your locale, you're going to need to replace all suspension, steering, exhaust, frame peices etc. on that 09' car you bought used for 6. Will quickly approach 20k in time and money, and at that point, most people bite the bullet and deal with new car bullshit/payments.

Bought a 10 years old clio with 80k km, which needed like 500€ service when bought.

Now at 15 years and 200k km still running strong, with less than 300€ service costs yearly.

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Post by kalleboo »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #505
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Adding another source: TÜV Report 2025 (in German) In Germany you have to get your car checked every 24 months for its road worthiness (think general doctor checkup but for your car). If it fails, you are not allowed to use it until it's fixed. At the first general inspection after purchase 2-3 years out, 14.2% of all checked Tesla Model 3s had issues. Comparing that to other models that are on record in sufficient n…

It seems that they fail the TUV for two reasons: bad suspensions and rusted brakes. The first one is on Tesla, but the second one has to do with regenerative braking vs real braking. You are supposed to slam your brakes one or two times a year so they don't get rusty, but a lot of users aren't following this and can go a long time without using their brakes because regen braking is so convenient.

PHEVs will run their gas engines after they have not been used in a while in order to keep the gas in them from going stale, it seems odd that the braking system on EVs doesn't do the same for the brakes

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Post by bayindirh »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #521
mschild wrote: post #504

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It's safety, yes. To fail this test there can be any number of causes but for Tesla they specifically mention light, axle, and breaks as failure points. The 14.2% was for cars receiving their first Hauptuntersuchung (main inspection) done every 24 months (so 2-3 years old cars). If a car model has that many problems while competitors in a similar price range and use model don't, that could point to an issue with part…

Without mileage this data is worth ZERO. Other than lights, the problem with control arms and brakes are known. Brake service is recommended and ignored because unlike VW, et all - there's not stealership model to charge you $500 a year for worthless maintenance.

No it doesn't. Service intervals are dependent on mileage. You should be detecting the problems and fixing them at regular servicing.

Ignoring brake checks is endangering life. Even though you have regenerative braking, brakes are used way more often in automatic and gearbox-free cars due to driving dynamics.

Just because there's no so-called stealership, ignoring brakes is not justifiable. So, I can mark Tesla as an irresponsible car company, with a bright and bold marker.

Thanks for narrowing my future car choices and pushing Tesla more out of my mind.

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Post by zarzavat »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #523
lostlogin wrote: post #452

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The AfD goes beyond just opposing immigration and they struggle to shake their Nazi links. Talks of deporting immigrants, getting into minimising SS culpability for Nazi crimes, use of Nazi slogans, links to convicted Nazis and banned Nazi parties. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx88nwy934go https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dangerous-liais... https://www.politico.eu/article/hidden-nazi-heritage-germany…

So they are not really nazi and calling musk one is like 6 degrees of separation..?

As a Jew there’s no difference to me between those who knowingly repeat Nazi slogans (i.e AfD) and “real” Nazis. It’s very easy to not be a Nazi, it’s unnecessary to make excuses for those who know what they are doing.

Germans (i.e. ethnic German citizens), should be held to a higher standard, because they are educated on this, there’s no excuse.

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