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Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers
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Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers
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The head of the administration, Trump, literally issued an order. An order that's being carried out right now. And that order is messing with disability programs and other accessibility issues. Directly.
A sibling comment quoted it as well but the relevant thing is here: > Sec. 2. Implementation. (a) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), assisted by the Attorney General and the Director of the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), shall coordinate the termination of all discriminatory programs, including illegal DEI and “diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility” (DEIA) mandates, policies,…
Fascists always despise disabled people. This is entirely on brand.
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers
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The number of legitimate users on "not chrome, edge, safari, or firefox" is about 10% of the browser market. I don't know about you, but if I'm running a shop, and the whole point of my website is to make sales, but my front door is preventing 10% of those sales? That door is getting replaced.
You don't think the people actually running the shops, whose income depends on the shop, have thought of that and thus there exists a downside that more than offsets the upside?
Yes. I suspect that many people who run online shops don’t think about this issue and, mostly, don’t even know there is an issue.
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers
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There is some political-philosophical irony that the Chinese prefer their government to do the blocking and take away their freedom, while the US prefers their monopolistic capitalistic corporate world to do it. A rose by any other name. Chose your friends carefully.
To trivialize totalitarian regimes that carry out terror against their own citizens, that can outright kill you and whole your family, by comparing them to capitalistic corporate world where, in the worst case, you can simply choose another, less fancy option, is the height of madness.
Many roads can lead to that hell. It's not because you take the scenic route that you shouldn't have some sense of awareness about where you might be headed. There is no us and them, just human nature.
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers
#545Earlier quoted context omitted.
A sibling comment quoted it as well but the relevant thing is here: > Sec. 2. Implementation. (a) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), assisted by the Attorney General and the Director of the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), shall coordinate the termination of all discriminatory programs, including illegal DEI and “diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility” (DEIA) mandates, policies,…
I quoted it and irrelevant. Trump signed the order like that. If he wanted to change the order, he would have written it differently. In any case, President Elon is pissed at accessibility folks harassing him over Twitter firings (including the firing of Twitters accessibility teams). This is stuff well within their politics and is 100% what they want.
It's not irrelevant because as I said earlier if you run a "DEIA" office and an EO says to dismantle DEI, it's a pretty easy legal maneuver to at least argue that they're different and that you don't need to shut the DEI stuff down because your office does other things too and they're all interrelated. Not saying it would work but this cuts it off at the pass. "DEIA" is a Democratic invention and that language is necessary to shut down DEI.
> President Elon
Oh I'm sorry I was under the mistaken impression you were trying to have a good faith discussion about the merits of what's happening.
The federal government is comprised of millions of unelected bureaucrats (I don't mean that pejoratively that's literally what they are). There is nothing particularly earth shattering about what Elon is doing. He's given a task by the president and he's carrying it out, which is what every single unelected executive branch employee does at one level or another.
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers
#546Earlier quoted context omitted.
A sibling comment quoted it as well but the relevant thing is here: > Sec. 2. Implementation. (a) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), assisted by the Attorney General and the Director of the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), shall coordinate the termination of all discriminatory programs, including illegal DEI and “diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility” (DEIA) mandates, policies,…
Fascists always despise disabled people. This is entirely on brand.
Give me a break the fascism nonsense is completely played out. Get another false ad hominem there are better ones to pick from.
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers
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Why would you join a subreddit for an obscure browser if you never even bothered to run it?
You vastly underestimate how many “just curious” lurkers there are on any subreddits !
You're asserting that they are curious enough about a free browser to join a subreddit, but not curious enough to download it?
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers
#548Cloudflare is actually pretty upfront about which browsers they support. You can find the whole list right in their developer docs. This isn't some secret they're trying to hide from website owners or users - it's right here https://developers.cloudflare.com/waf/reference/cloudflare-c... - My guess is that there is no response because not one of the browsers you listed is supported. Think about it this way: when a fr…
So you're saying that which browsers are supported on the Internet should be determined by a single, for-profit company? That's a very interesting and shorthsighted take. I love how so many of these apologists talk about stuff like "maintenance costs", as though it's impossible to write code that's clean and works consistently across platforms / browsers. "Oh, no! Who'll think of the profits?!?" If you had any techni…
I think it's pretty clear you have never worked on fraud protections or bot detections, otherwise you'd understand the struggles of supporting many environments with a single solution, you already have an opinion on this and by the way your messages are typed, it doesn't seem like any rational will change your ideas.
This is the internet and everybody is a field expert the moment they want to win an argument, best of luck with that.
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers
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Fascists always despise disabled people. This is entirely on brand.
Give me a break the fascism nonsense is completely played out. Get another false ad hominem there are better ones to pick from.
He's following the fascist playbook to the T. There's no need to sugarcoat it.
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers
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I think it's unfair this comment has been flagged or downvoted or whatever. It's pragmatic information! The mobile hotspot thing... I have to do that to do anything involving Okta. For some frustrating reason my IPv4 address, which I pay extra to my ISP to have, has been blocklisted by Okta. A login flow failure in one of the apps work uses triggered my address getting banned indefinitely is my best guess. My works O…
Thank you, I'm a bit surprised people took issue with my comment but I suppose I could have worded it better. As for your case, I wonder if Okta is relying on an external service like IPQS to get a score, that could explain why they don't really have any control over it.
Thankyou! I checked with IPQS and my residential IP had been flagged for being "a proxy". I routinely SSH VPN (sshuttle) into my home network to do things so maybe that's why.