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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by achierius »

throw101010 wrote: post #462
timhigins wrote: post #436

Removing these records from the public internet could likely be considered illegal under the OPEN Government Data Act, 44 U.S.C. § 3506: > (d) With respect to information dissemination, each agency shall— (3) provide adequate notice when initiating, substantially modifying, or terminating significant information dissemination products; (4) not, except where specifically authorized by statute— (A) establish an exclusi…

If this was an order from the President as an official act, no scrutiny can be applied here in any court (broad immunity recently granted by the SCOTUS: absolute immunity for actions within his core constitutional powers and presumptive immunity for other official acts)... so good luck proving any wrongdoing without any evidence... If you go after any of the underlings who executed such order, they are likely getting…

That's not true. The restriction applies only to scrutiny of the President himself -- his agents still can be prosecuted.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by int_19h »

nine_zeros wrote: post #28

America voted for cons, crooks and thugs. And is getting conned, crooked and thugged. Entirely predictable. And well deserved. I say this as someone living and suffering in America. There is no one else to blame but ourselves. The future is bleak.

Is it even a con? I mean, these people straight up said what they were going to do if elected, and now they are doing it. I know there are some Trump voters who are now going, "uhh, I didn't think he actually meant all that", but c'mon.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by Intermernet »

honestSysAdmin wrote: post #252
RIMR wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People aren't downvoting because they disagree about what's happening. They are downvoting because they agree with fascism, but don't like it when people say the truth out loud. It's a fundamental reality of fascism that those who support it will also deflect all valid criticism of their movement. A majority of U.S. voters chose this. After all that was already known about this admin, they aren't backing down, he's d…

If fascism means secure borders, an end to the kinetic conflict in Ukraine, an end to social media censorship, and a booming economy, more than half the country will vote for fascism. Promises fulfilled or not aside.

The article we're discussing talks about removal of publicly accessible data. Huge amounts of it. How is that better than "social media censorship"?

At some point you're going to have to stop spouting the bullshit talking points and accept that this administration are actively worse on most metrics that they campaigned on improving.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by refurb »

icameron wrote: post #510
refurb wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I telling you the CDC people are the same ones who were there under Biden. They haven't been replaced. They might be replaced, but they haven't been replaced yet. Sure, they might be "scared", but being scared isn't an excuse for going overboard and doing things that aren't required. They could have just left the data up and complied with the EO through the Director by saying "we are currently reviewing the data…

How can we know who is deleting the data? How do we know it’s a long time employee, or know it’s one of the newly appointed loyalists?

Well wait, there isn’t evidence to suggest someone is deleting data, the website is just down.

Second, as of last week Trump hasn’t appointed a new Director for the CDC yet.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-who-is-in-charge-trump-admi...

Third, I’m pretty sure Directors don’t manage the department’s website, the employees do.

While the Directors may change, everyone else there is the same as before Trump got elected. They are employed by the Federal government, not appointed.

Update: the message on the website now says the website is down temporarily and will be put back up soon.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by eastbound »

hackyhacky wrote: post #360
eastbound wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact checkers’ own employer said that the fact checkers didn’t work because they were so heavily biased that the audience noticed it.

Translation: the audience is so biased that they automatically reject facts in conflict with their biases.

No amount of showing you the mistakes in your papers works. “Women earn 52 cents on the dollar!” Same job? “Yes” No, look here.

“But there is still this argument” — No, there isn’t, it’s been studied in that other study.

You guys just always come back and cast doubt, but it’s only this: Doubt and finally, falsehoods.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by craftsman »

evanelias wrote: post #312
craftsman wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The phaseout based on units sold was in place as far back as 2018 since Tesla reached it in July 2018 and GM in November 2018. The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 (effective August 2022, not 2023) reinstated Tesla's eligibility and disqualified a number of other EVs.

Although the Inflation Reduction Act became effective in August 2022, no EV tax credit was available for new Tesla or GM EVs purchased in 2022, regardless of month. The units-sold threshold phaseout was only lifted for purchases made after 2022. Source: personal experience, as well as https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/manufacturers-and-mod...

You're right, thank you for the fix. My apologies.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by vkou »

alexvoda wrote: post #368
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #323

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The core is the President is kept from becoming a dictator by nothing more than norms. If Trump staffs the military with loyalists, there isn’t much anyone can do to make him do anything. Most other countries have power over the military, particularly in domestic contexts, much more shattered.

In those "newer designs" there is no electoral college. Also various alternative electoral systems have been tried. The winner-takes-all system of the US is known pathological and inevitably results in a two party system. Democracies in Europe most often result in many parties and a necessity to form coalitions. Ireland even goes as far as using IRV and STV.

The issue isn't even in how votes are counted, it's in parliamentary versus presidential republics.

The latter inevitably slide towards autocracy. Too much power is concentrated in one person, who is almost impossible to legally remove before their term is up, and who will happily punish dissenters within the party.

In parliamentary republics, every PM is one internal party vote away from being deposed. You tend to see less of the tail wagging the dog in them.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by refurb »

diggan wrote: post #20
CalRobert wrote: post #5

This is part of a broader rolling catastrophe. Musk is evidently seizing control of the Office of Personnel Management https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-01-31/exclus... Nasa took down their applied sciences page and is evidently scrubbing the data https://www.reddit.com/r/gis/comments/1icqchv/why_is_the_nas... ( https://appliedsciences.nasa.gov/ ) Lots of other data sets are disappearing too: https://ma…

> Musk is evidently seizing control of the Office of Personnel Management Suddenly I feel out of the loop when it comes to US politics, how come Musk is suddenly seemingly seizing control of parts of the US government? I don't recall him being on any ballots or anything?

President add unelected civilians to their cabinet every election.

Did anyone elect Anthony Blinken? Janet Yellen? Lloyd Austin?

None of these people were elected yet have substantial power delegated through the President.

And while these people were approved by Senate vote, plenty of people in the Biden circle weren’t - Chief of Staff, members of the National Security Council, etc.

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