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Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

nkurz wrote: post #49

Most of the news coverage I've seen of this story is omitting what some might consider a relevant detail: almost all the members of this group are trans. This is a divisive topic, but failing to mention this makes me worry a story is pushing a particular agenda rather than trying to tell the facts. Here's what the story looks like if the trans activism is considered central to the story: https://thepostmillennial.com…

I'm probably the furthest thing from an active supporter of trans (whatever you take it to mean, I'm old-fashioned about gender). But how does it matter to this story at all? You could take any group of people and find a crazed group of killers among them.... And people tend to stick to people like them, so again, how is it relevant?

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by red75prime »

actuallyalys wrote: post #174
nkurz wrote: post #49

Most of the news coverage I've seen of this story is omitting what some might consider a relevant detail: almost all the members of this group are trans. This is a divisive topic, but failing to mention this makes me worry a story is pushing a particular agenda rather than trying to tell the facts. Here's what the story looks like if the trans activism is considered central to the story: https://thepostmillennial.com…

The fact that many are transgender seems to be relevant because it’s a recruiting and manipulation tactic, not because of a connection to “trans activism.” I haven’t seen any evidence of that connection besides people involved being transgender.

Why scare quotes? There are political organizations representing trans-people (and doing quite a bit of activity).

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by angusturner »

sterlind wrote: post #295
nkurz wrote: post #49

Most of the news coverage I've seen of this story is omitting what some might consider a relevant detail: almost all the members of this group are trans. This is a divisive topic, but failing to mention this makes me worry a story is pushing a particular agenda rather than trying to tell the facts. Here's what the story looks like if the trans activism is considered central to the story: https://thepostmillennial.com…

it's been an exhausting couple of weeks for me, as a trans person. one executive order after another, explicitly attacking us. scrambling to update all my documents, navigating a Kafkaesque bureaucracy with constantly shifting rules. now this. there are like six Zizians. there are millions of trans people. I'm sure that many of the Zizians being trans says something about the Ziz cult, but Ziz doesn't say anything ab…

I am so so sorry you have to deal with this. As an Australian I have been watching on in horror this week at the way trans persons are being demonized and oppressed in your country. I know HN is meant to be an apolitical space, but I hope that the mods here have the sense to allow a certain amount of push back again this fascist nonsense.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by aptwebapps »

ericd wrote: post #162
rachofsunshine wrote: post #149

[Former member of that world, roommates with one of Ziz's friends for a while, so I feel reasonably qualified to speak on this.] The problem with rationalists/EA as a group has never been the rationality, but the people practicing it and the cultural norms they endorse as a community. As relevant here: 1) While following logical threads to their conclusions is a useful exercise, each logical step often involves some…

Brilliant summary, thanks. I'm interested in #4, is there anywhere you know of to read more about that? I don't think I've seen that described except obliquely in eg sayings about the relationship between genius and madness.

Here's another analysis which comes from a slightly different angle.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1361045568663945216.html

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by dleink »

adastra22 wrote: post #518
noirbot wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Trump is not a conservative… you are mistaking “conservative” for “republican.”

Unfortunately, whatever ideal you hold of conservative doesn't exist. Trumpism is conservatism's current expression in America and Trump is its thought leader. If conservatives were ok tying their cart to a populist demagogue, then they're going to have to go along for the authoritarian ride.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by mintplant »

sterlind wrote: post #295
nkurz wrote: post #49

Most of the news coverage I've seen of this story is omitting what some might consider a relevant detail: almost all the members of this group are trans. This is a divisive topic, but failing to mention this makes me worry a story is pushing a particular agenda rather than trying to tell the facts. Here's what the story looks like if the trans activism is considered central to the story: https://thepostmillennial.com…

it's been an exhausting couple of weeks for me, as a trans person. one executive order after another, explicitly attacking us. scrambling to update all my documents, navigating a Kafkaesque bureaucracy with constantly shifting rules. now this. there are like six Zizians. there are millions of trans people. I'm sure that many of the Zizians being trans says something about the Ziz cult, but Ziz doesn't say anything ab…

Yes, this. Please. I am so very tired, every day I wake up to the news that more legal protections are being stripped from me and the people I care about. I didn't need "trans terror" flashed in my face in large boldface type on top of everything else tonight. The GP didn't make this clear, but The Post Millenial is apparently a far-right publication and the author of that article seems to have built his brand on painting large groups of people as violent.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by sunshowers »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #408
all2 wrote: post #322

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> any evil one trans person does, is used to stain all trans people. recognize this tendency; don't let this become like blood libel. As a Christian, I can empathize. The wrongs and hypocrisies of so many are heaped on those who have no relation to the actions.

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No one chooses to be anything. There is no free will and there never has been.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by sunshowers »

PaulHoule wrote: post #447
skissane wrote: post #374

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> At best, with mentioning religion, you have declared your rightful intentions and at worst you have added yet another layer of tribalism to a ... debate. I don't think you understood what they were saying. They were saying that as a Christian, they've experienced being blamed for the misdeeds of other Christians which they personally had nothing to do with. The most important part of that statement isn't the word "…

If you have any unusual identity (e.g. a person inhabited by a fox spirit) you have a responsibility to be the person you can because you could be the first person in that category they meet. I grew up in Manchester, NH which was almost 100% white until 1990 or so. [1] My family was out for a bike ride and got a flat. A black couple (the man had just been transferred to the Raytheon factory where they make the radar…

Are your utterances here helping the cause of trans liberation, or hurting it?

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by adastra22 »

bbwbsb wrote: post #536
adastra22 wrote: post #493

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The specific technique here is unihemispherical sleep. Stimulating one side of the body while resting the other (one eye closed) to get one hemisphere to fall asleep. I think Gwen originally developed this trick to probe the mind and see if behavior was altered when one hemisphere was asleep versus the other. However, it turns out that when you do this, the brain as a whole does not get adequate sleep, even if you al…

The technique might have 'merely' prevented deep sleep due to interruptions; similar to why uberman[1] doesn't work. When I was younger I stayed up to see what happens. The worst experience of my life was when I lied down to sleep and felt 'too tired to go to sleep' and then started hallucinating sirens. I have no idea how long I was up; after a few days I lost track. I had to paced to stay awake, which I did the ent…

Did the shadows come for you?

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Post by lz400 »

Everytime lesswrong or rationalists or Yudkowski or any derivative show up here, I try to read some of the materials around and frankly, I don't understand most of it, it's all so self referential, full of impenetrable jargon and intentionally obtuse. It sounds mentally deranged and cultish. And it turns out that it can one-shot you into a death cult.
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