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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by largbae »

tyre wrote: post #507
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #462

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That's exactly what I was going to say. Every software dev I know who works on apps, social media, etc. all keep their kids from going near the shit. They know, conflict of interest or not. I've not seen anyone behind these products once they hit a mature state where they start psychologically stripmining their audiences who's eager to get any of their family onboarded.

It’s sad that these people know this and still work on them. I can’t imagine living my life day-in, day-out knowingly making other people’s lives worse.

They aren't _people_, they are just Daily Active Users. (/s)

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Post by warner25 »

EternalFury wrote: post #495
warner25 wrote: post #168

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That's heavy. If you're willing to share, I'm curious to hear more. Like when did you have kids, when did they get their hands on phones, how did it progress? My own kids are still too young for this to be an issue, and I'm encouraged to see more and more collective action to delay or restrict smartphones and social media, so I feel like we have a chance. I've said before that people who had kids 5-10 years before me…

Your estimate is dead on. My first was born in 2005 and my second in 2009. Social media and the early sexualization it brought were a problem for sure. But pretty much every interaction with these devices is messing with dopamine regulation.

Interesting. Thinking more now about why I picked 2005, I'm trying to decide if someone with a kid born in 2000 fared any better. I suppose that those kids were already teenagers when smartphones reached 50% market penetration, and giving smartphones to kids became normalized, and the "pivot to video" happened (really turning "social networks" into "social media" in my mind). I'm not sure if that was better or worse for them.

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Post by sensanaty »

sebgan wrote: post #432
ChrisLTD wrote: post #409

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To what end? Why do school kids need a smartphone?

We got phones for our kids primarily to keep in touch when they are away, especially when they have after school sports, at work (yes, even at 14 they can have gainful employment opportunities like reffing soccer). It would be great if the "smart" phone had a true "dumb" mode where the phone basically becomes a Nokia Blue vintage talk / text device. Not an app you have to install, but something that is part of the OS…

You can just buy them a dumb phone? No reason they need a smartphone just for messages and calls

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Post by II2II »

bdcravens wrote: post #511
washadjeffmad wrote: post #404

Can we have smartphone threads where everyone discloses whether they're an app developer or have another conflict of interest? Some of us know these kids are cash cows and are behaving like the anti-gun-regulation lobby of the tech world. I am not an app developer and derive no income from the sale or usage of smartphones or their software.

We could also disclose who is a parent and who isn't, to make decisions about which comments to deprioritize.

There are plenty of people who work with children yet may not have children: teachers, child care workers, medical doctors, psychologists, social workers, etc.. In each case, we see children in contexts that parents do not. In some of those professions, we may even see individual children more than their parents do. Perhaps it is best to avoid deprioritizing people simply because they don't meet an arbitrary criteria.

(I've had people scream at me because I am not a parent. When they found out what I do professionally, they were immediately humbled.)

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Post by biztos »

madjam002 wrote: post #513

I find all of these bans quite interesting because when I was at school we would be figuring out how to circumvent the web filters and would be building apps to hide the games we had open on Miniclip when a teacher walked past. I think I kind of owe my software development career to these early days as that is what inspired me. We didn’t have smartphones when I was at school and I guess things weren’t as optimised to…

On the one hand, I think "Bad Thing banned for kids but the smart kids get around the ban" is a pretty good state of affairs.

On the other hand, I fear that the "think of the children" crowd will attach legal jeopardy that will mostly fall on the smart kids, their parents, and indie developers.

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Post by lofenfew »

yndoendo wrote: post #178
lofenfew wrote: post #133

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> Where are you more likely to find a mentor, in a school with 10 teachers or 200 teachers? Where are you more likely to find a friend, in a school with 50 or 5000 people? This is such nonsense. Beyond a certain (very low) number, the number of people at the school doesn't help you with those things, because you can only meet so many people. You have classes with a fixed number of teachers, and a fixed number of stud…

>You've seemingly borrowed an argument for larger cities and applied it to schools without understanding it. I don't know that argument and never heard it. Intellectual sorting will be applied in a real world. By saying you have to meet all 200 teachers or 5000 students to find a mentor or friend would mean you have to try on all shoes, or cloths at a store to find the proper one(s). Your shoe, shirt, and pants size,…

> Is the student into robotics? Most likely only a STEM teacher would be into robotics, which reduces the number of teachers to meet to find a mentor. See a person wearing a shirt for a band you like, more passive intellectual filtering to find a friend and reduce the number of people to interaction with to find a friend. Into beat-boxing, perform at the school talent show and communicate to all 200 and 5000 students at once. You still might be the only one into beat-boxing though. More Intellectual filtering that go against "having to meet everyone to find a friend or mentor" argument.

I would say that running this "intellectual sorting" over schools themselves is far more productive then running it over individuals in a school. Suppose you find a really good friend at a school, who happens to not share any of your classes; or a mentor who happens to not teach any of your requirements. Going to a school in which most people have already passed a basic filter for compatibility would leave you far better off than running that filter over every person in a school. Like having a shoe store only for people with large feet.

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Post by IshKebab »

wholinator2 wrote: post #451
IshKebab wrote: post #241

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That seems plausible though. I have small kids and hence bad sleep often and when I'm very tired I often have to put off difficult programming tasks for another day and just do refactoring or whatever. I think it's entirely expected that it's harder to think clearly when you're really tired. Is it harder to think clearly because you've just been watching shorts/reels for an hour? Absolutely not. It's an addictive was…

Have you watched the infinite scroll much? Because my direct experience says you're wrong. Probably you can't really recreated the teenage phone experience even if you wanted to. What you need is: 1) a large enough group of actual close friends to use some social media app, so that by deleting that app you are removing a large part of your social life 2) those apps to continuously add infinite scroll, ad driven, enga…

Yes I watch a lot of YouTube shorts. It's addictive and a waste of time but I don't find it affects my cognitive ability at all.

In fact it's mostly the other way around. I watch them when I'm too exhausted to do something productive (which is often unfortunately).

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Post by largbae »

api wrote: post #491
greentxt wrote: post #473

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Right, mainstream news has been doing this same clickbait for half century at least and it is the reason we allow it from social media. We're desensitized to it and actually seek it out. We live to suffer and be enraged, because in our minds democracy depends upon it.

At some point I think humanity is going to have to really declare war on addiction. I’ve been thinking about this for years. It’s not unprecedented. China threw off the yoke of opium for one example. I’m all for free speech and I am against drug criminalization— as long as in both cases the stuff is not particularly addictive. The deliberate use of addiction to ensnare, monetize, or control other people whether throu…

I like the idea of fighting addiction, but it can't be law-based. For example, I find chess to be addictive, is that evil? What action shall we take against it?

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Post by sebgan »

sensanaty wrote: post #543
sebgan wrote: post #432

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We got phones for our kids primarily to keep in touch when they are away, especially when they have after school sports, at work (yes, even at 14 they can have gainful employment opportunities like reffing soccer). It would be great if the "smart" phone had a true "dumb" mode where the phone basically becomes a Nokia Blue vintage talk / text device. Not an app you have to install, but something that is part of the OS…

You can just buy them a dumb phone? No reason they need a smartphone just for messages and calls

True, and we considered that. But there are benefits to a smart phone that we also wanted them to have, just not all the time, and it should be easier to make a smart phone dumb than the other way around.

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Post by dwaltrip »

dalton01 wrote: post #471
huuhee3 wrote: post #446

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Banning phones is simpler, and has no downsides. You are at school to learn, you don't need a phone or tablet for that. Besides, lots of things can be addictive and distracting. Personally I'm addicted to reading news. Had smartphones existed when I was a kid, simply banning social media and games wouldn't have been enough.

Banning phones has no downsides. You're in the office to work, you don't need a phone or tablet for that.

Children vs. adults…

Although many of us adults, myself included, could definitely use a strict break from the screens.

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