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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Which means that the president is ignoring the constitution. And so is the military. Very much not good...

I’m not sure the military is ignoring the constitution. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe they’re supposed to follow the president’s orders.

Militaries in liberal democracies should protect the constitution, even if that means disobeying the president.

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Absolutely incorrect. The state militias consisted of private citizens with their own arms who would organize when needed, not standing state armies with government issued arms. Also, private gun ownership was the norm at the time. Heller draws it's decision from historical reality and originalist philosophy

> Heller draws it's decision from historical reality and originalist philosophy Private gun ownership != the right to a private gun.

Of course. Private ownership itself is just explanation of the historical context, not proof that the right existed.

Having read Heller, the various drafts of the Bill of Rights, and some of the correspondence, I don't think anyone that has done the same can make an honest originalist argument against the private right.

In particular, I think the linguistic argument about militias relies on a neologistic definition that is particularly misleading.

People can make valid living constitution arguments against the second amendment all day and all night, but these seem particularly out of favor. I think this, more than anything else explains the Heller decision in 2008

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Your reference [1] seems very confused about what it's trying to say and where it's trying to go, at least in terms of linking abortion to white supremacy. In fact, the fight for abortion access is closely tied to white supremacy (see e.g. the eugenics movements of the 1920s and 1930s in the US).

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Transparent coup d'etat attempt rumored to happen for months. The only option when the mouse is cornered. Approval rating in the <10% range, Japan whispering in his ear and pulling the puppet strings, crazy selfish wife abusing state resources, it is almost comically predictable if not for how serious it is. North Korea is always the convenient excuse... only hope Westerners don't get fooled by the rhetoric. Guy digg…

> Japan whispering in his ear

Anyone who has dealt with Japanese bureaucracy and government at large is stifling a giggle at this idea.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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The 2nd amendment was added because the founding fathers didn't want a federal military. Instead, they wanted every state to have its own militia [1]. The interpretation that it means every private citizen can own a gun is modern not historic. It wasn't until the 2008 DC V Heller case that the right to firearms was actually established. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._29

Absolutely incorrect. The state militias consisted of private citizens with their own arms who would organize when needed, not standing state armies with government issued arms. Also, private gun ownership was the norm at the time. Heller draws it's decision from historical reality and originalist philosophy

But remember, just like back in the founding, you can't own a cannon!

Just ignore all the privateer ships that were loaded with cannons.

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It’s a big shift, but from a NK/SK standpoint probably the bigger issue is what exactly NK got in exchange for the massive ammunition deliveries and the tens of thousands of troops they sent to die in Ukraine. Whatever it is, it must be pretty big, perhaps advanced missile technology, maybe even new types of nuclear weapons. Either way it’s bound to significantly change the balance of power on the Korean Peninsula.

How about just basic energy inputs like fuel and fertilizer? This is a country that is so abysmally poor the state has a feces collection quota. Peasants must collect their daily dumps and give them to the state for use in the field or suffer the wrath of the local DPRK gangster.[0] [0] https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/manure-02012022130916...

Perhaps that could have been true for the shipments of shells, but I can't see NK sending tens of thousands of troops to a meatgrinder that they have absolutely no stake in just for some fertilizer and oil. NK has the ability to demand much more strategic things and I'd be virtually certain that they have.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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> Is there an impeachment process for a constitutional violations There's an impeachment process. Creating a separate, faster one for constitutional violations is just inviting trouble.

If I recall correctly, I thought there was some legal provision in the US for the military to disobey unconstitutional orders. If it doesn't exist de jure , I suppose it always exists de facto , both in the US and elsewhere. I think it is always interesting when the curtain gets pulled back to reveal how all of our political systems and norms simply overlay the fact that power is the ultimate law of the land.

There was a YouTube video from Ward Carroll, a "veteran F-14 Tomcat radar intercept officer, writer, and military commentator", that ultimately deals with this question, though it does so only after establishing a fair amount of background detail.

And while on the face of it, this video would appear to jump headlong into a hot button political discussion... it's actually very calm, collected, and appears to be striving to provide an objective analysis from a military perspective about just these issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEZ3JSOvY2s

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Last time I checked, access to the national assembly palace was being blocked : https://bsky.app/profile/sung-il-kim.com/post/3lcfskluuwc26 Any idea how and why it was unblocked ? Anyone with more context ? EDIT: This is the first I cannot think of any reason for getting a downvote... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The police kept the protesters out, but eventually let in most members of the national assembly and their staff after checking their ID. Martial law is about using the military to control civilian activities. The police are civilian. Their order is to maintain peace, not to interfere with people who have legitimate business at the facility. If Yoon really wanted to preempt the national assembly, he should have sent i…

There were videos of Assemblymen jumping the fence around the building, so it looks like the police were not letting assembly members enter.

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Yonhap (Korea state news) : The National Assembly voted Wednesday to demand President Yoon Suk Yeol lift emergency martial law. Under the Constitution, martial law must be lifted when a parliamentary majority demands it. Of the 300 members of parliament, 190 were present and all 190 voted in favor of a motion demanding the lifting of martial law. With the motion's passage, the martial law declaration is void, accordi…

Last time I checked, access to the national assembly palace was being blocked : https://bsky.app/profile/sung-il-kim.com/post/3lcfskluuwc26 Any idea how and why it was unblocked ? Anyone with more context ? EDIT: This is the first I cannot think of any reason for getting a downvote... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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