Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

Post by stoperaticless » Tue, Nov 19, 2024, 10:42 AM UTC

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The case last year with the gas pipeline, the Chinese / Russian owned left Kaliningrad, and then while sailing, dropped its anchor before the pipeline and cable, and then dragged it over them, and then raised it. It was apparently accidental, yet both the Chinese and Russians didn't want the crew interviewed, the Estonian and the Finnish authorities both shrugged and didn't really care, and the Estonian energy prices…

The Finnish authorities know exactly who did it, but what are they going to do? Sanction Russia? Fire a few missiles at Moscow? Write a sternly worded letter? It's just added to the pile of "shit that Russia does without repercussions" which is opened when (not if) they actually cross the border to Finland and find out what happens when you fuck around with a country who's been preparing for Russian invasion for 100…

Post by stoperaticless » Tue, Nov 19, 2024, 10:45 AM UTC

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This is a misleading framing. The two cables last year were not taken out by an anchor as an accident, it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable. In other words, sabotage. There's no point in trying to color any of this with rose tinted glasses when it's clear who's done it and why.

> it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable I don't understand. That's how I'd expect most accidents to happen. Someone decides to anchor too close to an undersea cable, the anchor fails to hold and the drifting ship drags the anchor over the cable damaging it. I'm not saying it wasn't sabotage, but there needs to be something a bit more than that. Sourc…

Post by cryptoegorophy » Tue, Nov 19, 2024, 10:49 AM UTC

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Oh no, if only radio/emergency broadcast television/satellite/alternative cable routes/contingency plans had been invented!

We can look at October 7th in Israel how long, with all the communications and infrastructure working, it took to organize defense in a very technologically developed country which basically had been living in the state of war readiness. Now add broken significant communications, chaos of non-working banks/ATMs, power shut-offs, clogged highways, etc. (don't get me wrong - i'm not saying that Russia can do all that,…

Post by aguaviva » Tue, Nov 19, 2024, 10:50 AM UTC

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> US cannot claim a single victory in the past 4 decades, it's been debacle after debacle Militarily? You've got to be joking. Russia is still struggling with the military part of the campaign. Russia's "top of the line" weapons are routinely being potted by decades-old NATO kit. They are a spent force, conventionally. The military turned from a fighting force into a propaganda tool, aimed at projecting masculinity t…

Looks to me that Russia is winning the war of attrition. Is that view inaccurate?

Post by ponector » Tue, Nov 19, 2024, 10:51 AM UTC

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So what's the solution ? Assign a surveillance UAV to every Russian ship parked "without a good reason" over a cable ? It would be expensive, but doable, and create a reserve of vehicles for wartime use.