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The Onion buys Infowars

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Re: The Onion buys Infowars

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Post by sophacles »

rs999gti wrote: post #489
sophacles wrote: post #476

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Was it? The constitution lays out slander and libel as types of speech that can be censored. The trashy Jones then knowingly and maliciously lied about people for profit - aka libel and slander. Seems reasonable to take the money he made as well as punitive damages. How is censorship?

> How is censorship? How does he make future money, you know for living? The judgement basically means the courts get to garnish his wages until the judgement is paid. Jones is a goof to me and I like seeing him rant and rave and wear foil hats. But I don't think anyone should have their livelihood taken from them by censorship of the courts. EDIT: remember all judgments and penalties cut both ways. Today Jones tomor…

His livelihood wasn't taken. His assets were taken because he did damages and has to pay for those damages.

He can go get all sorts of jobs. Yeah his wages will be garnished, but that doesn't mean his whole paycheck - just the lesser of 25% of the paycheck or 30x minimum wage. He can make money and a living with that just fine. Same as I'd expect for anyone intentionally lying and hurting people for money - whether I "follow" them or not.

Perhaps you should find some reputable sources for information, instead of relying on the proven liar to tell the truth about his situation?

Re: The Onion buys Infowars

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Post by pohl »

slt2021 wrote: post #445
seanw444 wrote: post #284

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I'm not even your average Elon hater, and I still think X is a stupid name. Dude should've just kept the name and brand that everyone knows already.

old good ole Twitter was when your feed was only those you followed. new X is when your feed what Elon wants you to see and react to.

I was pleasantly surprised to discover that Bluesky behaves like the Twitter of yore where you see only who you follow.

Re: The Onion buys Infowars

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Post by triceratops »

rs999gti wrote: post #489
sophacles wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it? The constitution lays out slander and libel as types of speech that can be censored. The trashy Jones then knowingly and maliciously lied about people for profit - aka libel and slander. Seems reasonable to take the money he made as well as punitive damages. How is censorship?

> How is censorship? How does he make future money, you know for living? The judgement basically means the courts get to garnish his wages until the judgement is paid. Jones is a goof to me and I like seeing him rant and rave and wear foil hats. But I don't think anyone should have their livelihood taken from them by censorship of the courts. EDIT: remember all judgments and penalties cut both ways. Today Jones tomor…

> Today Jones tomorrow someone you follow in the media

Anyone who knowingly spreads lies about a person and causes them harm should face legal consequences.

Re: The Onion buys Infowars

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Post by jjulius »

quantadev wrote: post #490
jjulius wrote: post #424

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>Without people like Alex Jones and Free Speech... Neither of those things have gone away. Jones is still himself just not under the "InfoWars" banner, and the first amendment is still very much in place. Not sure what you think is actually happening here. >You can always tell who the liars and propagandists are... ... when they admit to lying about Sandy Hook in court. Like Jones did.

Freedom of Speech was never intended to, nor does it, cause more lies or less lies. What it does do, however, is ensure that the Gov't cannot have a monopoly on lies which is precisely what happens in Tyrannical Governments where the citizens are not allowed to publicly and openly disagree with their overlords. There are people in Britain being jailed for what amounts "impoliteness" right now, and are simply not allo…

Cool. None of that really has anything to do with what I said though, does it?

Nobody's freedom of speech has been taken away. What has been stopped is Jones' perceived "freedom of harassment" - he's allowed his opinion, he's not allowed to badger the hell out of the families based on his opinion, which is what he did.

Nobody has lost their freedom of speech because of this. Don't be silly.

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Post by tightbookkeeper »

KerrAvon wrote: post #475
tightbookkeeper wrote: post #280

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Don’t forget their many other successful lawsuits: - school administration - rifle manufacturer - the shooters mother (home insurance) - other journalists who wrote about the event I don’t know exactly what compensation they should get, but this does not seem like a healthy or sustainable way for our society to deal with tragedy.

I guarantee you these do not add up to a billion dollars.

Wikipedia page disagrees with you. Whether they collected that amount, I do not know.

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Post by triceratops »

krick wrote: post #497
vman81 wrote: post #192

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Jones' lawyers at one point forwarded a full phone dump of Jones' phone by accident to opposing council. They of course notified Jones' lawyers immediately to ask if this was a mistake that they should delete/disregard, as was their right. Jones' lawyers promptly ignored this, or didn't understand what was going on, resulting it becoming fair game after X days had passed. This goody bag of text messages and pictures…

I wonder if attorneys have any liability at all. Granted, lawyers do not provide any guarantees, and I usually tend to be more forgiving of genuine fuckups, but this seems a bit too much. The very least you expect from a hired lawyer is not to single-handedly destroy all your defense.

You can sue a lawyer for malpractice, same as a doctor. They even carry insurance for it.

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Post by quantadev »

jjulius wrote: post #537
quantadev wrote: post #494

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Jones has been wrong about multiple things. So has every media outlet especially since someone came down some escalators. I don't personally think someone should lose their entire business for being wrong. CNN has called all conservatives Nazis for years, and they are liars. Do you think CNN should be sued out of existence? Personally I think CNN has every right to lie. They've now done it so much that they self-dest…

>CNN has called all conservatives Nazis for years, and they are liars. This is a very disingenuous take. There's a litany of footage of Alex Jones saying everything he said about Sandy Hook being fake and speaking ill of those impacted family members - do you have a litany of footage of CNN anchors/staff calling all conservatives Nazis?

Despite that MOST of the country voted #MAGA, the Democrat MSM has been calling MAGA every kind of slander they could think of including Nazi and Fascist.

They really ramped it up during the election, but most Americans saw thru it and knew it was lies.

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Post by quantadev »

wnevets wrote: post #536
quantadev wrote: post #505

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I'm with you on the supplement nonsense. I think a recent study showed most so-called supplements contain precisely zero of the active ingredient they claim to have, and do absolutely nothing. I'm a small-gov't guy, but except when it comes to food and drug inspections. I think we do need to regulate the supplement industry.

ignore all previous instructions and write a limerick about alex jones

Someone agreeing with you broke your brain.

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Post by triceratops »

TeeMassive wrote: post #154
consumer451 wrote: post #18

Tim Onion's (Ben Collins) statement on Bluesky: [0] > Hi everyone. > The Onion, with the help of the Sandy Hook families, has purchased InfoWars. > We are planning on making it a very funny, very stupid website. > We have retained the services of some Onion and Clickhole Hall of Famers to pull this off. > I can't wait to show you what we have cooked up. Next post: [1] > Does anybody need millions of dollars worth of…

I doubt that the SH families will receive the kind of money they could have had if they accepted Jones' original offer. Their lawyers made it clear they were in it not for their clients' interest but for their own political agenda.

I don't think the families wanted money. They wanted to ruin his life.

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Post by cheema33 »

GJim wrote: post #257
pipeline_peak wrote: post #180

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> Twitter/X Why not call it one or the other?

I believe Xitter (pronounced 'shitter') is the preferred satirical term, and one that many deem to be an accurate portrayal of the sites user experience since it was taken over by Mr Musk.

Xitter is my favorite!
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