There is quite a bit of pessimism here.
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Trump wins presidency for second time
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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time
#542It's getting sort of ridiculous how much each party is stuck in an electoral strategy where they have to pretend to be on one side of an issue which is objectively against the interests of the people they pretend to be representing. Dems have to appear to be pro-immigration for reasons (honestly I don't know why this is like this, historically). They are genuinely less xenophobic than the Reps, so they respect the ri…
> Reps on the other hand have to appear xenophobic once again for reasons that aren't super clear to me,
It's not complicated. It's the Christian Nationalist agenda for the last 50 years. They don't want white people to be the minority and most immigrants don't fit that profile.
> but when it comes to actually preventing immigration, they always manage to torpedo their own proposals.
Because they have to win elections. They do this by declaring something bad, doing nothing about it, then blaming democrats so they can get re-elected. Look at Florida. They've been republican for over two decades, they have a super majority and they don't solve any of the problems they run against the democrats on.
Re: Trump wins presidency for second time
#5432016 : Hilary Clinton - People felt that she was chosen because it was her turn
2020 : Kamala Harris - A candidate who never ever even did well in the primaries.
I hope DNC learn from this and let people choose a candidate next time.
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#544Hopefully there is still time to give Edward Snowden a well deserved pardon, before he becomes a bargaining chip to be extradited in exchange for something (less sanctions, etc) in a US-Russia, or better, Trump-Putin deal.
Re: Trump wins presidency for second time
#5452016 : Hilary Clinton - People felt that she was chosen because it was her turn 2020 : Kamala Harris - A candidate who never ever even did well in the primaries. I hope DNC learn from this and let people choose a candidate next time.
The real problem was Biden not dropping out early enough so that they could have a fair selection process.
But tbh I’m not sure how much it mattered. With the high inflation levels it was always an uphill battle for the incumbent.
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#546Parties basically switched sides this election. From 2008 to now: - Pro war party: Repubs -> Dems - Dick Cheney party: Repubs -> Dems - Elitist party: Repubs -> Dems - Working class party: Dems -> Repubs - Pro free speech party: Dems -> Repubs - Bigger spending party: Dems -> Repubs - Skeptical of large corps: Dems -> Repubs There are some issues where they haven't switched (eg. abortion)
Name one, just one antiwar group that's pro Republican. They're all on the left, who was once again, excluded from participating.
The Democrats think that by going harder right, the Republicans would stop calling them Communist.
They don't realize the accusations are pulled out of thin air to begin with. The Democrats pushing harder right won't quiet the right wing bullshit machine.
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#547Don't move to Canada; move to a swing state.
Re: Trump wins presidency for second time
#548Is there some analysis why the polls didn't correctly predict the result? A failure in representative polls like this should be avoided with statistical methods.
> Is there some analysis why the polls didn't correctly predict the result?
The people in a swing state choosing to spend time responding to polls are insufficiently representative. They're drowning in advertisements, calls, texts, unexpected people at their door and randos on the street. Why would they give time to a pollster?
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#549Today we learned that immigration is more important for Americans than even abortion, so much that 3 states didn’t even codify it.
I mean that makes sense? If you buy into the narrative that illegal-immigration is bad, then anyone could feel it personally. Weigh that against abortion which affects a few people in some smaller states where it is still illegal. Granted it has way more traumatic effects but still it makes sense most people can just ignore it as an issue.
If you total the population of the states which have a ban also I would bet it is less than 50m people, so ~15% of the population live in a state where it is banned and those are heavy rust belt states so they might even be in favor of it being banned.
Re: Trump wins presidency for second time
#550It's getting sort of ridiculous how much each party is stuck in an electoral strategy where they have to pretend to be on one side of an issue which is objectively against the interests of the people they pretend to be representing. Dems have to appear to be pro-immigration for reasons (honestly I don't know why this is like this, historically). They are genuinely less xenophobic than the Reps, so they respect the ri…
> the Democrats are first and foremost the party of the educated, metropolitan and utterly disinterested in matters of material conditions.
This is absolutely true. Though most people on the Left are terrified to face this fact.
> Whereas the Republicans are the party of people who are bitter towards the first group.
This was true in 2016, probably 2020. But definitely not this election. Just to use myself as an example: I'm an Obama ('12), Clinton ('16), Biden ('20), Trump voter ('24).
I'm not motivated by animosity against Democrats because I was voting for them. Trump's message now is way more positive. It's a message of peace with Russia, making America healthy again, getting competent people in government (Musk), etc.
And that's actually also what a lot of the most influential Trump supporters (Musk, Rogan, RFK, Dana White, Nelk boys, Theo Von, etc) have been espousing too, pretty much all of whom used to be Democrats.