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Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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These things are so fast that you can run a virtual Linux without even noticing performance issues.

I literally tried that few days a go, what you're saying is not true. Compiling Linux: AMD 6800HS, ~4mins. Apple M1 Pro, Linux VM, ~10 mins.

What's your virtualization setup?

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Worth remembering that Amiga went out of business just a few years later, while Apple today is the largest company in the world by market capitalisation. Doesn't matter how good the product is: if you're not selling it for a profit, you don't have a sustainable business. Apple products aren't overpriced as long as consumers are still buying them and coming back for more.

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The 100 million dollar investment from Apple ended up not being needed. Jobs put the hatchet to enough projects to reverse the trend himself. That investment from Microsoft was valuable because they promised to keep releasing Office for Mac.

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The 100 million dollar investment from Apple ended up not being needed. Jobs put the hatchet to enough projects to reverse the trend himself. That investment from Microsoft was valuable because they promised to keep releasing Office for Mac.

Nonetheless, Apple was almost out of business at one point. Microsoft invested in Apple instead of Commodore. If the opposite happened, we may be having a discussion about Commodore now, and not Apple.

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I'm not sure why you think it would be worse than a MacBook Air which literally has no fan

Are the new MacBook Airs the ones that have throttling issues due to heat?

Every Apple Silicon MacBook Air throttles after 5-10 minutes of sustained load because they have passive cooling - but the amount of load needed and the throttled speed is not noticeable to casual users.

You only notice throttling on the MacBook Air when doing things like video renders that use max power for an extended period of time.

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The 100 million dollar investment from Apple ended up not being needed. Jobs put the hatchet to enough projects to reverse the trend himself. That investment from Microsoft was valuable because they promised to keep releasing Office for Mac.

Nonetheless, Apple was almost out of business at one point. Microsoft invested in Apple instead of Commodore. If the opposite happened, we may be having a discussion about Commodore now, and not Apple.

That doesn't even make sense. Microsoft hadn't released any software for the Amiga AFAIK, while the Mac market for Word/Excel/Powerpoint was still a decent chunk of revenue for Microsoft at the time (obviously still much less than the Windows/PC market).

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I have been out of the PC world for a long time, but in terms of performance efficiency, is Apple running away from the competition? Or are AMD and Intel producing similar performing chips at the same wattage?

Apple is slightly pulling away. AMD's top desktop chips were on par with M1/M2/M3 1T but now they cannot match even M4 despite releasing a new design (Zen 5) this year. It's partially because AMD is on a two year cadence while Apple is on approximately a yearly cadence. And AMD has no plans to increase the cadence of their Zen releases. 2020 - M1, Zen 3 2021 - ... 2022 - M2, Zen 4 2023 - M3 2024 - M4, Zen 5 Edit: I a…

Well, the two major factors for the quality of a CPU are the node its made on and the architecture.

If you want to evaluate the quality of two different architectures, you should be comparing samples on the same fab node.

M1 and Zen 4 were on the same node, and M3 and Zen 5 are on the same node. In both cases they're within spitting distance of one another.

The majority of Apple's advantage is just Apple paying for early access to TSMC's newest node.

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There's a known issue on arm macs with external monitors that messes with the framerates. Hopefully it gets fixed soon because pre-space age factorio was near flawless in performance on my m2.

What! That's exactly what I'm doing. Woah, I can't wait for the inevitable fix, those guys have been releasing patches like crazy.

There's a few threads on the technical help forums that are tracking this -- I've subscribed to them because I'm super excited about them getting around to fixing it! :)

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Where can you get Intel Macs for $200?

Amazon. Search for "renewed".

Thanks. Are these the same as Apple refurbished (as in completely reskinned with a new genuine battery)?

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Agreed, but probably getting a Lenovo Legion will be your best bet in the near term.

I'm driving a 2022 XPS. Lots of people will (and should) disagree, but I've completely shifted over from Thinkpads to Dell XPS (or Precision) for my laptops.

Good choice, shocked that Dell haven't decided to create their own linux version or invest heavily into Ubuntu for software/hardware.

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Back in the early 90s, when Apple was literally building their first product line with the Mac, they would come out with their second big honking powerhouse Mac: the Macintosh IIx. It blew everything out of the water. Then they would come out with their next budget all-in-one machine. But computing was improving so fast, with prices for components dropping so quickly, that the Macintosh SE/30 ended up as impressive a…

> Back in the early 90s, when Apple was literally building their first product line with the Mac, cough like saying, "Back in the 70s with Paul McCartney's first band, Wings (...)" kids? get off my lawn

They had the Apple II, sure, but the Mac was the first time they built a line of different computers for different users.
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