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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by speed_spread »

bozhark wrote: post #495
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Further evidence to the truth of this: The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads. –Jeff Hammerbacher Oh lament! for what, not just the future, but the present, could have been. Edited to add: But! Even as I have just written that and stand by it, I just don't know if humanity could have done it any other way. One must sell their soul to 'the green', even just a little, to have th…

If they were the “brightest minds” and they applied their abilities towards advertisement, then they were not the brightest minds.

It's like binoculars, The brightest minds see further but they also have immense blind spots that leaves them exploitable.

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Post by sailfast »

What is the killer app for this? Dan Suarez's Daemon series probably provided some insight into what might be possible in terms of literal secret meta-communities, etc but why would I want to see an internet link about the things I'm looking at in real life?

Assuming I have the money and don't mind the looks - why should I buy these?

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Post by bensandcastle »

Having built similar tech (Meta, YC S13), it's been a great year with Vision Pro, Orion, Spectacles and more coming out.

Currently at my co, seeing most day to day use out of XReal, and keen for Visor.

AR/XR/MR/VR app I'm most looking forward to is a 360 location share with the sharing user in AR, and the receiving user in VR, with additional virtual objects shared between. Orion would be great for the send side, with a few extra cameras and Vision Pro on the receive side.

The main thing letting down tech today is how open the platforms are for external developers.

The lack of projecting black I don't see as an issue, clip on something for VR (ok 70 degress isn't quite enough but getting fairly close), or just dim and use gradients for day to day work.

I think we're still at the most basic level in terms of understanding optical physics and ultra high resolution much smaller devices will come out, probably not too soon though.

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Post by osrec »

signal11 wrote: post #442
benreesman wrote: post #358

I've long been a huge skeptic of the whole Metaverse project/undertaking, I think I've called it a smoking crater where ten billion dollars used to be. But this is really interesting: it sounds like the display works, and it sounds like the puck is workable, and it sounds like both can squeak above the line in terms of battery life. If those things are true I may turn out to have been completely wrong. I don't know t…

> I think I've called it a smoking crater where ten billion dollars used to be. It’s less of a waste of money if it paints Facebook as a technology leader and distracts lawmakers, and helps give the company mind space among the tech press. In fact the metaverse may have started out as DC strategy [1]. Facebook Inc. is old and boring, catering to a predominantly older cohort and becoming “Big Social” by buying up anyt…

DC?

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Post by bryan0 »

beart wrote: post #511
bryan0 wrote: post #365

While still pretty clunky, I think I'd rather wear these for extended periods of time than Vision Pro glasses (100g vs 600g). This is the type of v1 minimalist design I was hoping Apple would go for. I assume Apple investigated this path but realized they would be cost prohibitive? (although when has that ever stopped Apple before?)

100 grams is still quite a lot of weight to have on the bridge of your nose. My glasses are ~22 grams and I can notice them after a full day.

Heh I just weighed mine: 28g (warby Parker frames). I really don’t notice them at all after a full day

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Post by shiroiushi »

zmmmmm wrote: post #466
Twirrim wrote: post #12

I know it's a prototype, but yikes those are large and goofy looking. Reminds me of the old 80's NHS glasses in the UK (which you could get for free if you couldn't afford otherwise). Or for those of you old enough, Brains from the old Supermarionation versions of the Thunderbird show ( https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article8451975.ec... )

I was an early adopter of the Galaxy Note which looked outlandishly large and goofy, back when people still spoke in awe of how Jobs made the 3.5" iPhone to fit the human hand naturally and no other form factor could possibly be right. Fast forward today and nearly every phone looks like a galaxy note. Turns out when the utility is there, people will adapt.

Those of us with larger hands are happy with larger phones with bigger screens.

But even people I know with smaller hands generally prefer larger phones, probably for the same reason most PC computer users prefer larger monitors rather than the 14" monitors of yesteryear.

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Post by noiseinvacuum »

zmmmmm wrote: post #470
bryan0 wrote: post #365

While still pretty clunky, I think I'd rather wear these for extended periods of time than Vision Pro glasses (100g vs 600g). This is the type of v1 minimalist design I was hoping Apple would go for. I assume Apple investigated this path but realized they would be cost prohibitive? (although when has that ever stopped Apple before?)

People are generally assuming Apple is also developing these internally. They just don't show off their tech until it is ready. But I would love to know where they are in comparison with respect to weight, size and field of view. I know it is not obvious unless you are very in the scene, but 70 degrees field of view here in this form factor is a massive breakthrough. Most similar glasses are struggling to do 45 degre…

Apple delayed their effort 'indefinitely' to work on cheaper Vision Pro. They are at least 3-5 years behind Meta at this point. And if past is any sign of the future, Zuck is not slowing down this effort anytime soon for Apple to catch up.

This is going to be a very interesting platform battle to watch.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/apple-glasses-reportedly-dela...

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Post by SoftTalker »

mr_toad wrote: post #528
hadlock wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The press release says "unmistakably a pair of glasses". The fact that you're complaining about the aesthetics and not wether or not they're glasses is a testament to the generational leap they've made here. Apple's VR goggles are glasses with "rendered" external pass through. These actually fit the traditional definition of glasses. And yeah like in the future, these will shrink in size. Probably by half in five yea…

> The press release says "unmistakably a pair of glasses". They look like what army personnel used to call “birth control glasses”. Only extra thick for added protection.

If you wear these you won't need to worry about birth control.

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Post by shiroiushi »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #126

Yet another nice piece of hardware hampered by attempting to lock people into a proprietary ecosystem. (And an AI-centric one at that.) I would love to have a set of AR glasses. I would love to have a wide variety of features that they could enable. I'd like them to be at least as open as an Android phone is, or as open as a 2D monitor is. Standard ports / standard wireless interfaces. Install your own software, not…

>I would love to have a set of AR glasses.

I've been wanting this for a long time now, but really just for cycling. It would be incredibly handy to have some AR glasses connected to Google Maps, showing a moving map in my field of view as I'm biking through the city and telling me where to turn. Even if it's really nothing more than a separate screen (sort of like Android Auto) for my phone, that's all I need for this. If I need to interact with the UI, I can pull over and get out my phone; I just want the glasses so I can see the moving map (along with changes when I take a different turn than prescribed).

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Post by vdqtp3 »

mk_stjames wrote: post #485
mk_stjames wrote: post #472

I just want two to four text lines of 80-characters wide, literally in monochrome if you have to I don't care, and the ability to use it to scroll thru help with speaking in a foreign language / subtitling what I am hearing around me, in a glasses form factor that people don't notice aren't my normal reading glasses. That is it. I have wanted just this, for decades. I have lived a lot of my life in places where I don…

To add to my above- I have spent a lot of time researching AR glasses tech that would allow for this that could potentially be available even as old dev kits to buy, and the tech is out there in a much smaller form factor than what Meta is needing here to get them the full color, high res, 3d display. To just get floating text, all you need is a micro laser projector in the arm of the glasses pointed at a section of…

I was eagerly awaiting North Focals GA release when Google bought them. It's appalling that such cool technology was just...murdered in the cradle.
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