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Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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If we try to do what we are best at here at HN, let’s focus the discussion on the technical aspects of it. It immediately reminded me of Stuxnet, which also from a technical perspective was quite interesting. I already wonder if this was anything that was planted in the devices perviously, or if the ones responsible had similar devices, and managed reverse engineer them and craft a payload to them, that could be sent…

> let’s focus the discussion on the technical aspects of it.

The headline chosen here is already biased: "Dozens of _Hezbollah members_ [..]"

Anyone following this closely can see that plenty other title choices could be used. There are headlines that would be credibly neutral, headlines that favor the IDF, and headlines that favor Hezbollah. HN is currently choosing to go with a non-neutral, non-technical headline for this story. Maybe we should make the headline neutral as well before telling the commenters to focus solely on the technicals?

If you don't understand what I'm referring to, look at some of the downvoted and hidden comments here.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

#542
I wonder why they did this, thus revealing that they compromised a lot of devices and losing that capability, instead of quietly continuing to monitor them and using their location to perform attacks via other means if needed.

Maybe they hope the psychological effect is a big deterrent?

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

#544
post #179

If we try to do what we are best at here at HN, let’s focus the discussion on the technical aspects of it. It immediately reminded me of Stuxnet, which also from a technical perspective was quite interesting. I already wonder if this was anything that was planted in the devices perviously, or if the ones responsible had similar devices, and managed reverse engineer them and craft a payload to them, that could be sent…

I wonder what Israel did to ensure that only legitimate targets were harmed by the sabotaged pagers.

The fact that these pagers were to be used by Hezbollah is what they did.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

#545
post #179

If we try to do what we are best at here at HN, let’s focus the discussion on the technical aspects of it. It immediately reminded me of Stuxnet, which also from a technical perspective was quite interesting. I already wonder if this was anything that was planted in the devices perviously, or if the ones responsible had similar devices, and managed reverse engineer them and craft a payload to them, that could be sent…

> make the device exagerte some existing functionality to a point where it caused a malfunction? Thoughts on this?

I'm actually astounded by the things that must have been in place to make this attack even plausible, let alone viable. At the same time, the ramifications are sobering. Here's where my head is:

- Hezbollah failed to inspect electronics that, if tampered with, could have lead to some kind of intel breach. That or the explosive modifications were indistinguishable from the real thing.

- Operatives knew what pager numbers were in use by Hezbollah, perhaps exclusively to the rest of the population.

From there I have three possible explanations for how this may have been executed:

1. Many shipments of such pagers bound for Hezbollah in Lebanon and other places in the region, were identified, intercepted, modified, and sent on their way with minimal delay. You probably don't get many opportunities like this (how often do you replace a pager?), so this is really quite a hat-trick.

2. Or: there are many more pagers out there with a very dangerous vulnerability on board, with only a special pager sequence that stands between the user and sudden death. This suggests simply infiltrating the manufacturer instead. This also has much more favorable lead times and can leverage the manufacturer's resources to that end.

3. Or: There's a pager manufacturer out there with gob-smackingly bad engineering and software on completely stock units, which operatives simply exploited to (sub)lethal effect.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

#549

From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…

Isn’t political isolation a strategy in extremism movements? It encourages some people in the middle to move into your camp, while others who move away can become convenient enemies. So from my understanding, the consequences are possibly considered another benefit for the country’s current government.
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