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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by FMecha »

gargron wrote: post #102
stevebmark wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mastodon was dead from the start, it isn’t in the running. Threads has too big of an image problem to overcome. No one wants Instagram for Twitter. Bluesky is the only platform currently that has a chance, but it’s an under funded, tiny team who can’t ship on time. Bluesky will see a surge in registrations but no change in DAU as they still haven’t supported video, so no one will stay on the site.

Why do you believe that about Mastodon?

Mastodon is too fragmented for the common people, and any chance of that being popular is getting usurped by Bluesky anyway.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by consumer451 »

nunobrito wrote: post #537
consumer451 wrote: post #524

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> It's OK. Liberals, lefties and pseudo-rebels tend to jump from one walled garden to another. It is very difficult to take a statement seriously when it includes sweeping politicized generalizations like this.

And yet it is what happens. Humans do generalize based on repeated pattern observation. Get used to it.

Well, with that convincing argument of a data-free vibes based reality, you have won me over good sir.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by latexr »

mikrotikker wrote: post #429
kstenerud wrote: post #421

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Looking at the responses, I can see that people are still viewing this through the limited lens of left vs right. This is of course a thing in that nobody can hide their colors anymore, but I'm specifically talking about the rich now feeling empowered enough that they even have the hubris to challenge governments of the world for their own benefit, and in some cases even build their own empires to escape the limitati…

Free speech is all that matters. Musk is not perfect by any means here but he is better than the rest. He is exporting the 1st amendment to us nations who don't get to experience such freedoms. Which is what Twitter should have been doing, instead of kowtowing to the likes of the German and Saudi govts among others...

Twitter has demonstrably kowtowed more to authoritarian governments under Musk.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/elon-musk-censors-twitter-in...

And he regularly bans journalists who don’t lick his boots.

https://newrepublic.com/post/177936/twitter-suspends-account...

Stop listening to what he says and pay attention to what he does. You’re being swindled.

> He is exporting the 1st amendment to us nations who don't get to experience such freedoms.

This is particularly absurd. “The first amendment” isn’t a paragon of freedom unique to the US. And it only applies to government censorship. You can’t “export it” to other countries by means of a social network.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by mike_hearn »

wkat4242 wrote: post #395
kstenerud wrote: post #295

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It's partisan/political because Musk is partisan/political. And it's not just Musk. We've been living in a fantasy land of "no political affiliation" in the tech world for decades, and now that the age of the hyper-rich has come once again, they are realizing the benefits of using the power they wield to shape the worlds they live in. So now in the early stages of this century's great fight, we'll see our beloved tec…

To be honest with the current polarisation levels in politics it's no longer possible to be neutral. The conservative side is now even strongarming companies into abandoning their diversity programs! This is just really not ok, I'm part of the LGBTIQ+ support network in our company and this kind of thing is really making waves. People are worried, even though we're a Europe based company where this is not a contested…

It's absolutely contested in Europe. "Why is the NHS spending so much money on diversity officials when they don't have enough doctors" is a long standing complaint by many people and politicians in the UK, for example.

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Post by NeoTar »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #515
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #488

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As an outsider, I can't help but feel that the American election system that boils everything down to just two parties imposes a limited binary lens onto at least the American view of the world.

Are French Presidential elections so different? And the UK only has two major parties, so the outcome will be similar.

The French system, with its two rounds system has a built-in protection against extremism and to encourage compromise.

The UK is also a FPTP system, but has strong parties outside of the two main, for instance in the last general election over 42% of people voted for a party other than Labour or the Conservatives.

[admittedly that’s an outlier, but looking over the last few elections at least around 20% went to parties outside of the big two]

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by wkat4242 »

mike_hearn wrote: post #544
wkat4242 wrote: post #395

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To be honest with the current polarisation levels in politics it's no longer possible to be neutral. The conservative side is now even strongarming companies into abandoning their diversity programs! This is just really not ok, I'm part of the LGBTIQ+ support network in our company and this kind of thing is really making waves. People are worried, even though we're a Europe based company where this is not a contested…

It's absolutely contested in Europe. "Why is the NHS spending so much money on diversity officials when they don't have enough doctors" is a long standing complaint by many people and politicians in the UK, for example.

True there's some exceptions. The UK has indeed fallen to American-style polarisation. As have the Netherlands where an extreme-right regime now reigns.

But most of Europe is still sane, luckily.

Ps rather than blaming transsexualism it might be smarter to blame the Tories who have been skimming (and selling off to their own companies) the NHS until there was nothing left.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by okr »

klrmvn wrote: post #491
kstenerud wrote: post #474

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Free speech is a dog whistle. We can't have actual "free speech" in the pure sense of the term (just like we can't have pure democracy) because it would erode public confidence and destroy our democratic nations in the process. And there are outside actors currently working hard to ensure that this happens, because they want a return to the old imperial world order (where powerful nations capture territory and expand…

It is sad that free speech became a dog whistle. Post WW2 up to at least 2000 free speech was a strong position of the left, Noam Chomsky being one of the most prominent examples. Musk isn't hard right. There is a lot of overlap positions between him and Bill Clinton (the original one from the 1990s, I do not know what he says now), except that Musk is anti-war and obviously talks like he was on Usenet. I can't under…

Because they are old and have families now. Metoo and toxic behaviours did the rest. And, it is just not that important.

For me, Musk/Trump is indeed fresh trollish air in all this seriousness and iam astounded, that no one else enjoys it. But i also have the feeling, it is a last breath before police state takes over. Because a state can not allow its citizen to go rogue.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by jack_pp »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #389
jack_pp wrote: post #370

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What is this topic that's only in vogue in tech circles? Wokeism?

> What is this topic that's only in vogue in tech circles? Wokeism? Wokeism as it pertains to social media's discussion of the woke mind virus. Everyone has an opinion on it. But it's not of practical relevance to most people, certainly not most voters. Sort of like modern art.

Considering a ton of podcasts talk about it and they're not in the tech bubble I'd say it's a pretty important topic especially in the US.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by NeoTar »

eertami wrote: post #538
ryzvonusef wrote: post #462

Twitter is 'banned' in Pakistan for very similar reasons (requiring a local representative, requiring censorship, etc) under the guise of 'national security concerns'. We are all still using it via VPN. We get all the govt related info from it, and no one is asking, how come the govt dept themselves are using twitter when it's banned? No one will move to bluesky/threads/mastodon because as I said everyone is on twitt…

Most people in real life aren't using twitter actively at all, and they survive just fine? The only people I know who use it are tech workers in the conference scene, in my real world social circles there is nobody. Personally I would check my providers website/status page in such circumstances.

> Personally I would check my providers website/status page in such circumstances.

I hate than many providers now consider updates to Twitter/ Other social media sufficient and do not bother to publish to their own website!

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Post by XorNot »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #515
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an outsider, I can't help but feel that the American election system that boils everything down to just two parties imposes a limited binary lens onto at least the American view of the world.

Are French Presidential elections so different? And the UK only has two major parties, so the outcome will be similar.

The UK system has a much less powerful Executive though.

To be clear: FPTP is terrible, but the reason the UK system isn't as broken as the US one is because the correct functioning of the Legislature is much more vital to the overall system - i.e. 3 viable parties can exist because they're fighting over hundreds of seats, and then it's by the Legislature that the Prime Minister is chosen - rather then by direct vote.

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