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The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by Aerbil313 »

nineplay wrote: post #243
phil21 wrote: post #180

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The mad rush to as quickly abolish religious practices in mainstream U.S. culture without any form of societal replacement is puzzling to me. I am no fan of religion having grown up in an exceedingly religious environment. But it was always completely obvious to me even as a child that the primary purpose of religion was to form local communities and have others with shared values to rely on. We seem to be doing it w…

I understand what you mean, I grew up in a church with a youth group and group friends which I valued. However I also grew up with constant anxiety about sin and hell. It still gets back to me when my insomnia is bad. So churches and church membership aren't necessarily a net-positive. I too wish there was some sort of community my family could belong to. But I'm not taking my kids to church anytime soon.

Between Christianity as a false religion with its unintuitive teachings ultimately and rationally leading to atheism and the modern American way of life with its freedom extremism at the expense of everything elde, there's a third, albeit unthinkable to many, option: Islam.

We're doing great in terms of societal bonds.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by bitcoinmoney »

fergonco wrote: post #57

Just a data point: In Valencia, Spain, in the 80s, children played in the street with no much supervision from parents. Occasionally we would stop the football match to let a car drive by. Forgetting your keys at home was no issue, you could get a glass of milk in ten different places while you wait for other (more attentive) members of your family. Nowadays there is hardly a place to park your car. Parents don't all…

Same in Philippines in the 90s. We’d be out all day and come back at dinner time. There was no pedo. I think kidnapping and pedophile are overblown in media. Whole neighborhood would just play on the streets. No nanny.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by abnercoimbre »

vegadw wrote: post #287
fn-mote wrote: post #257

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I hear you, but it sounds like you’re saying you want program that delivers high value without paying for it. The way to make this happen is get out there and volunteer your big dollar software engineer time to make it happen. Use all of the knowledge about how to get things done that you get from reading HN, join a team, and start building. My volunteering experience has been amazing, but there were some negative ex…

I'm willing to help, but as one person, I can only do so much. Hyper-locally, it's actually a problem of community here instead of money anyway. There's a half-way decent maker-space, but it's all old men. Think "ham radio guys" stereotype. They're knowledgeable, but without any young blood (and the artistic pursuits younger people tend to bring) it's not fun.

May I ask where you're based in? I'm a little intrigued.

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Post by fragmede »

Ezhik wrote: post #482
gary_0 wrote: post #214

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A lot of the things people used to do on the Internet for fun, they now do for money or "points" (or the subconscious desire to do for money if they become successful enough). In the past, things you posted online tended to get a small number of manual responses from people you had a chance of forming an actual relationship with. Now, a good deal of interaction is mediated by a corporate algorithm (or an up/downvote…

I miss the pointless internet.

https://onecheckbox.com/

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Post by naveen99 »

mlloyd wrote: post #525
flappyeagle wrote: post #277

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It creates a much worse problem actually. Why have a committed relationship when you can always press a button to look at hotties and have a pull at the sex slot machine? If they design the system right, their audience just won't marry or have long term stable relationships

I think committed relationships are on the decline more because of the change in how women interact with and are viewed by society, than technology. Each successive generation of women over the last several decades has increased their ability to earn an independent successful living, control their sex life without negative labels, and remove the expectations that their only value is domestic-oriented. Where in the pa…

Fewer children -> fewer commitments

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Post by selimthegrim »

c-fe wrote: post #347
ChartMaster22 wrote: post #273

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The official forum for SAP users is called the "SAP Community"[0]. I've seen it in other corporate places too, but this was the first occurrence which came to mind. [0] https://community.sap.com/

and the apple support community: https://discussions.apple.com/welcome

The “ASML Talent Community”

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Post by lolinder »

dv_dt wrote: post #259
StopTheWorld wrote: post #145

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Professor Michael Rosenfeld at Stanford does research on how heterosexual couples in the US meet ( https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/ ). In 1940, over 50% met via friends or family. About 36% met at school. In 2021, about 20% met via friends or family. About 10% met at school. Over 50% met online. So the majority of US couples are now meeting via profit-maximizing corporations. He has a 2019 paper on this (and it ha…

Hasn't the divorce rate also gone down. So one question is if the method of meeting is improving that rate

Marriage rates are also plummeting, so it's more likely that the divorce rate has gone down simply because people wait to get married until they've proven it works. A couple that cohabitates and then separates doesn't get logged in the divorce rates.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by lolinder »

watwut wrote: post #455
goethes_kind wrote: post #183

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I'm in my 30s but I'm feeling this so hard. Growing up we used to have these kid/youth centres that were run by local Catholic organizations. We used to hang out there after school. Ostensibly the point was that there'd be 30 minutes of catechism doctrine, but we didn't really care about that. To us it was just a the place where everyone would be. I miss that so much. A place where you can just go and meet people you…

Are you saying that a group where everyone has to be a catholic is somehow diverse? Also, nothing will ever be like the stuff we had when we were kids. Because in all our minds, that is the norm.

> Are you saying that a group where everyone has to be a catholic is somehow diverse?

You've clearly never lived in an area with high density of a specific religious group. At a certain threshold, yes, there can be more diversity in a single religious congregation than is present in most local environments short of the local public school.

If most of your neighbors are Catholic, then you'll often just show up for the Catholic events regardless of whether you deeply believe it because that's where the community is. That's essentially what OP said about their own experience—listening to the catechism was just the tax to pay for the community event.

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Post by fragmede »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #341
mschuster91 wrote: post #280

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> and voilá, no more free parking anywhere. Well... yes, that is precisely what's needed to wean America off its unhealthy dependence on cars. Come over here to Europe, visit our cities where you can actually walk on a sidewalk, where you can live without a car just fine because everything you need can be reached safely on foot, by bike or with public transport.

> Well... yes, that is precisely what's needed to wean America off its unhealthy dependence on cars. HIGHLY disagree. If you want people off cars, you need to give them an alternative. Granted, I love cars. I would have cars whether I needed one or not, but I know I'm absolutely 100% in the minority on that issue, and like, when I say I would have cars either way, I mean fun cars. I wouldn't keep and maintain vehicle…

the alternative is here and it's ebikes/scooters/something. it requires a huge culture change so it's gonna take some time, but batteries plus a motor is viable and is going to cause cities to evolve yet again.

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Post by [deleted] »

M4rkJW wrote: post #262
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #115

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This is both a loss in and of itself, and is also a rational response by people within this system. Everything MUST make money because everyone is FUCKING broke. People don't monetize their hobbies for fun, they do it because they're barely scraping by and the notion of spending time on things that don't make money is so beaten out of us that it feels wrong to do it. We can't go anywhere without spending money, we ca…

What—or who—made the streets terrifying?

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