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Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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People don't really want an always on, live mic reporting back to the mothership anymore - at least I don't.

But they've sold millions so that sort of squashes that argument. (I'm with you though. It boggles my mind.)

Are they still selling however? It seems like everyone had a Google home or Alexa ~5 years ago (including myself) and now no one does.

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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If OpenAI ends up releasing the GPT-4o voice model they demoed, I feel like I would use it a lot, especially while driving.

Isn’t it out already? I can definitely use something very similar right now on their app.

The app can do speech-to-text, and text-to-speech using their whisper model, and it's integrated with chatgpt.

On May 13th, they demoed GPT-4o's multi-modal voice capabilities, and it's much better than a text/speech model.

Converting speech to text, and vice versa, is quite lossy, all the tone and emotion of the speech is lost in translation, the model they demoed in May was capable of much more than whisper is.

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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It's ridiculous that I have to have a spreadsheet with pricing information and links for household goods just to spot check and make sure I'm getting the actual price per quantity that I want due to the multiple dynamic listings that change every day nightmare. Don't ask how many times I receive more or less than I thought I would or something came in 10 packages of 3 instead of 1 30x package.

I worked at Amazon when Fresh was rolling out in Seattle. A coworker thought he was ordering 10 bananas but when his order arrived he received 10 bunches of bananas. Generously, he brought them in to share along with the story. I’m sure they made a lot of banana bread the following week.

Was that the origin of the banana stand?

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>Customers actually used Echo mostly for free apps such as setting alarms and checking the weather. “We worried we’ve hired 10,000 people and we’ve built a smart timer,” said a former senior employee. That's actually really funny to read. Just last night I was watching my brother cook and he asked Alexa to set a timer (It's pretty much the only thing he uses it for...) I jokingly said "You know, that's a really expen…

This is 99% of the use of our kitchen Alexa (29€ on Prime Day, delivered). The multiple named timers are extremely useful.

I set up the smart home stuff once, but keeping it updated with the crappy mobile app is a huge chore, most of my stuff is in Home Assistant and HomeKit, which are a lot easier to keep updated.

I'm just hoping for a Homepod 2.0 so I can throw away all Alexas and replace them with Homepods.

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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>Customers actually used Echo mostly for free apps such as setting alarms and checking the weather. “We worried we’ve hired 10,000 people and we’ve built a smart timer,” said a former senior employee. That's actually really funny to read. Just last night I was watching my brother cook and he asked Alexa to set a timer (It's pretty much the only thing he uses it for...) I jokingly said "You know, that's a really expen…

don't get me wrong, it is silly, but also being able to set a timer without touching anything with your gross cooking hands is unironically a wonderful feature.

Id love to buy a voice activated timer that didn’t require an internet connection, but I’m guessing that once you pack in enough compute to do language transcription on the device you can’t help but stack on lots of other features and complicate the whole thing

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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Like a UPC?

Are UPCs stable at scale and over time? It's been a minute since I was in retail, but I remember there being a bunch of asterisk-but's around them.

Last time I looked at it, they fell prey to the region-locking-franchise nonsense. Something like each country had a registered office that would manage their namespace of codes with some sort of segregation or grouping.

Ofc what inevitably happened: same product from same company had two codes because because. Heinz Ketchup in Germany is not the same as Heinz Ketchup in Australia...and no one can tell you why.

Different recipe? Labeling? Different sizes... 160ml vs Country Z standard of 13.2oz, etc.

Oh and different codes for different groupings. Pack of 6 somethings got a new code VS the item itself as the barcode.

Not sure if you encountered the same shenanigans but I just stayed away. This is ultimately a people co-ordination problem and everyone thinks they're special. Meanwhile China spams all our market places with "Wish Wonder Elements Store" sellers that sell "40mm 1/2/6 pack of nail screws, woodworking, drill, conical shape, amazing product $1.22" and 5000 variations across all their sellers.

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

#547
Simple fix - First 2 years of Alexa are free, then you have two-tier pricing for prime / non-prime members for annual fee. In a few months, they can start getting revenue for any device that's been active more than 2 years.

Best case scenario - it turns into a profit center.

Worst case scenario, the platform is abandoned, and Amazon can stop bleeding.

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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post #113

>Customers actually used Echo mostly for free apps such as setting alarms and checking the weather. “We worried we’ve hired 10,000 people and we’ve built a smart timer,” said a former senior employee. That's actually really funny to read. Just last night I was watching my brother cook and he asked Alexa to set a timer (It's pretty much the only thing he uses it for...) I jokingly said "You know, that's a really expen…

I got an Alexa as a gift and never opened it But now its finding a ton of use as a Cocomelon device for my toddler I’m dreading the day she learns to say “Alexa, play Cocomelon”. It’s over for me the.

Set the wake word to “Computer.” It’s harder to say and will buy you a few months ;)

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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don't get me wrong, it is silly, but also being able to set a timer without touching anything with your gross cooking hands is unironically a wonderful feature.

agree with this and we're an alexa household, which I don't love, but we tried a homepod and friggin' siri was (still is?) shockingly inept when it specifically came to setting multiple timers, adjusting timer duration, cancelling timers, etc. it feels pretty dumb having Alexa and all the potential snooping just to set timers and for an inferior Spotify-playing experience (sound quality of the ones we have are not go…

> siri was (still is?) shockingly inept when it specifically came to setting multiple timers, adjusting timer duration, cancelling timers, etc

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this Apple AI leap will bring us a less stupid Homepod Mini so I can throw away my Alexas. It's almost 4 years old with zero refreshes, still running on the S5 chip from Apple Watch 5.

The only things we use our Alexas are pretty much: turn on/off lights in the room it's in, ask for the weather and timers. Homepods can do the first two, but the timers are pretty useless unless one is enough.

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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I think even if Amazon stagnates, servicing that core business at scale is a once in a generation moat.

Retail is extremely competitive. Amazon does not have the best prices, and has a horrible experience for shopping. It's basically a specialized search engine with lots of ads at this point. Also, the things which made Amazon shopping a no-brainer are gone. Items no longer always arrive within two days if you have Prime, there are lots of poor-quality items, and it's hard to find what you really want. Finally, it's ob…

I think an under appreciated part of their most is that people hate logging in to things and making new accounts.

I know there have been times where I see a product is a little cheaper on the actual brand website but I decide to just order with Amazon rather than creating an account to place a single order on the other site.

I tell myself that it’s about privacy and minimizing exposure to future breaches, but really it’s just that I don’t want to go through the whole create a password/enter your card and address/wait for marketing emails you need to unsubscribe from loop

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