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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by johnnyanmac »

tiffanyh wrote: post #533

Putting politics aside … Why don’t they have an age limit on the president (or any elected office)? E.g., you must be younger than the average life expectancy (currently men: 73yo / female: 79) - while in office. https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

I'm all for it. But when the average senator is over 60 and rising, and the majority voter base themselves are generally 60+, it'll be a hard law to pass from both fronts.

And as others mentioned, this is a bipartisan stance, so it's not a matter of political leanings. Old people represent most of our voter-base and thus most of our represenatives.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by hagbard_c »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #216
gumby wrote: post #32

One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

how do you measure who is effective?

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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by kristjansson »

colechristensen wrote: post #373
ipaddr wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Threat that they will use article 25 to get him removed as president if he didn't playball

I was waiting for the House to censure him for not stepping aside. It was pretty clear that the flood of leadership democrats and donors insisting he step aside was building.

The _Republican_ controlled House? Censure a __candidate__? For staying in a race?

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by dataviz1000 »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #318

Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? Has it ever been done? Would it work to attract the center/swing vote, or more likely to be a negative?

Did you read the New York Times today? [0]

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/21/opinion/biden-west-wing-a...

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by mauvehaus »

burtonator wrote: post #177
ahartmetz wrote: post #41

Oof. This guy has been the biggest positive surprise of the US presidents in my lifetime. Expectations were low, but he actually turned out to be a good president (from a European perspective). No new wars, no more talk about shifting defense focus to Asia, generally nothing unreasonable. Good support for Ukraine, no doubts about NATO - rather the opposite. Basically, the rich uncle on the other side of the pond has…

He got us out of Afghanistan too... this was a huge win and was very risky. Doesn't get enough credit for this one. Agreed on NATO + Ukraine too but I wish they would allow us to strike Russia directly even with NATO equipment.

Whatever you think of Trump or Biden, the timing of the withdrawal was negotiated by the Trump administration:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Taliba...

Owing to the change of administration, the Biden administration was obviously responsible for implementing the terms of the agreement as negotiated by the Trump administration.

I think both parties get an approximately equal share of the credit or blame.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by SllX »

_heimdall wrote: post #426
woodruffw wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? I think it would be very hard to convince the liberal-progressive base (i.e. the core of the party) of the DNC to go for this. > Has it ever been done? Before the 12th Amendment was passed, the VP came from the opposing party[1]. This didn't work particularly well in practice, which is why nobody remembers…

Technically prior to that wasn't the VP always the runner up? Practically we had two parties thanks to Hamilton and Jefferson, but the rules weren't specific to that unless I missed something important there.

You are correct. What motivated the change was Aaron Burr campaigning against Jefferson in the 1800 Presidential election and both were part of the Democratic-Republican Party. For subsequent elections the Democratic-Republican Party continued to dominate elections during the era of Good Feelings right up until the 1828 Election when Andrew Jackson under the Democratic Party defeated John Quincy Adams under the National Republican Party.

Note on those parties: the Democratic-Republican Party isn’t related to either of those parties; Andrew Jackson was the first time the Democratic Party put any candidate into the office of the President and while that’s the same Party as the one that exists today, the National Republican Party is not related to today’s Republican Party. We just really like reusing two words for most of our party names.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by jimt1234 »

tiffanyh wrote: post #533

Putting politics aside … Why don’t they have an age limit on the president (or any elected office)? E.g., you must be younger than the average life expectancy (currently men: 73yo / female: 79) - while in office. https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

Because old people vote.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by Smeevy »

majewsky wrote: post #110
bilekas wrote: post #22

This is wild. It seems super late in the game but okay. I'm super interested to see what will become of his chips act etc. The push he has tried to do to remove dependencies on TSMC is very forward thinking. Hopefully the next candidate takes up the momentum. Edit : Typo in TSMC

> It seems super late in the game but okay. Why does the US in specific have such drawn-out campaigns? Earlier this week, I saw a pundit commenting that 4 months before the election is too short notice to pick a new candidate. But there's countries in Europe that announce elections, pick candidates, do the campaigns, go to the pools, do the counts, and have the electees take office, all in less than 4 months (see e.g…

Trump has really turned our system on its head. He's basically been campaigning since 2015 and never stopped. It's exhausting for everyone except, apparently, him.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by JKCalhoun »

egypturnash wrote: post #412
jzb wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simplest may not be best here. Is Harris the person who is most likely to get people to the polls and vote Dem? Is she someone who can convert independent/undecided voters? etc. IMO those are not easy "yes, absolutely" answers. Does the Democratic party have anyone in the wings who is more likely to win than Harris? Maybe? Gretchen Whitmer might be a strong candidate, off the top of my head. But I'm struggling to thi…

The polling before this announcement was showing Harris with better numbers vs. Trump than Biden had, at least.

Polling whom? Democrats? As we have seen many times this century, getting the popular vote does not mean you win the presidency.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by kernal »

tiffanyh wrote: post #533

Putting politics aside … Why don’t they have an age limit on the president (or any elected office)? E.g., you must be younger than the average life expectancy (currently men: 73yo / female: 79) - while in office. https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

Age shouldn’t be a limitation. Mental competency should be regardless of age.
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